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3 minutes ago, Greyfeather said:

I run a business - I already had to do this when I applied for it - lol.

 

I even had another property request denied because I hadn't provided adequate information, including business plans:


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1 minute ago, Greyfeather said:

This is priceless. You do realize that you can't join ULSA unless you provide a written OOC application detailing your character's background and justification for being a student? lol

Good, I'm glad you see how stupid your logic was. Funny that you think it's ridiculous when it's applied to legal RPers but for criminals? Fair game.

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Just now, Henning said:

Good, I'm glad you see how stupid your logic was. Funny that you think it's ridiculous when it's applied to legal RPers but for criminals? Fair game.

Don't project your own opinions on me!

 

I'm disagreeing with you.

 

I think an OOC application process is a good idea to try to ensure quality RP.

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Henning said:

Ok, if we're going down that route I think we need an OOC application for every business. Bar's and Clubs? Please make an application detailing your complete understanding of the service industry, the entertainment industry and the finances of both.

 

You're being sarcastic, but the irony is we already have to do exactly this. We get it, most criminal factions just score their businesses from buying them off of legal RPers, and just pass them around for generation to generation where the businesses progressively become casinos over time. But if you want to open a brand new business on this server, you do have to apply for it. In addition to your character ICly having to develop to the point that you can open the business and gathering the funds, you OOCly have to write a lengthy application, wait in a long line, and prepare to be fully audited on all of your assets and portrayal. Then, you need to do all the IC and OOC work of getting the business licensed, registered with the Department of Finance, mapped/decorated, up to Fire Code, inspected, approved, and only then do you start the IC and OOC work of hiring staff for the business (which if you're not part of a criminal faction means recruiting brand new people), training them, advertising, stocking up the business, and then actually running it.

 

For my brewery, I wrote a 4-page application, waited 3 weeks for a response, was denied my first time around, had to reapply, waited another two weeks, had to personally speak with the PM team and plead my case, finally got accepted. That's just to get the business, not even including all the dozens or hundreds of hours I've spent researching how breweries operate, recruiting and training staff to elevate the roleplay quality around liquor on this server, and all the busy work of actually RPing the business.

 

And yet I'm the poor RPer because I'm annoyed Generic European Gangster #417 with less than 100 hours of play time on his character walks in while I'm open and we have 30 people inside roleplaying and we're trying to run something that's fun for EVERYONE on the server to try to hijack the scene about how big bad of a gangster he is and why this large business owes some two-bit greasy spoon operation headquartered out of a hole in the wall coffee shop weekly taxes. And my best case scenario of getting the dude in trouble means he goes to jail for 24 real life hours, and he's back out on the street the next day, and the rest of his faction of Generic European Gangster #329, #516, #72, and #229 will now be hunting for my character everywhere I go.

 

And then these guys post a guide on the forums which says your third step if the business owner doesn't immediately fall on their knees to fellate you, you should pursue a Character Kill on them because "PKing them just means they'll keep opening the business and you can't extort them again."

 

So the literally hundreds of real life hours I've spent on creating a business which brings me almost no asset-wise profit but is all about providing roleplay for upwards of 200-300 people on the server should be thrown out the window because I didn't stroke some lonely criminal RPer's ego enough when he's too lazy or unoriginal to come up with more creative interesting and frankly fun things to do with his time on the server.

 

You say criminals are stuck doing the same 4 avenues of RP? That only speaks to a lack of creativity. Roleplay is endless and infinite; your only bounds are how creative and interesting you and your friends are.

 

tl;dr: My character's business alone probably has more hours of character development and research effort put into it than your entire character. And my character's business is here to make the server better for everyone, and to build roleplay for all people whether they're legal, illegal, or anything in between. Extortion is just a selfish, unoriginal, play2win cash grab for someone trying to stroke their insecure ego, and we see time and time again that the players who still support extortion RP tend to be incredibly toxic, assets-driven, and just generally have poor grasps on what's realistic or reasonable, caring only about winning.

 

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Who extorts business today? It isn't 60's anymore or anything, extortion doesn't fly past anymore, club / bar owners and such..don't really worry about it anymore, world is a bit more civilized and reason why extortion isn't anymore a thing, its because law enforcement & government established a powerful foot-hold during 2000's, where petty crimes like these has been spooked. 

 

That's why you barley hear about it anymore, sure..you pick it up off some Italian-movies or something early 2000's, but extortion isn't a thing anymore, specially when everyone is tired of having random group of people coming in and demanding money, not to mention..when majority of community has illegal-characters, the extortion just isn't it in RP community nor in reality.

 

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31 minutes ago, Greyfeather said:

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Yes, if a player refuses extortion and it goes really bad, the owner is liable to a character kill, the thing people seem to leave out also is that if the criminal comes to CK them and gets killed, they kinda have to CK aswell.

 

7 hours ago, Ink said:

tl;dr: My character's business alone probably has more hours of character development and research effort put into it than your entire character. And my character's business is here to make the server better for everyone, and to build roleplay for all people whether they're legal, illegal, or anything in between. Extortion is just a selfish, unoriginal, play2win cash grab for someone trying to stroke their insecure ego, and we see time and time again that the players who still support extortion RP tend to be incredibly toxic, assets-driven, and just generally have poor grasps on what's realistic or reasonable, caring only about winning.

So basically you're saying that the sun shines out of you and your businesses' booty hole and you should be immune to extortion because u personally don't like it? That'd be like me saying my faction should be immune from being taxed by the Mexican Mafia because I personally didn't like them.

 

If you get extorted, you get extorted. People should stop acting like it's the end of their character and their business when the solutions to the problems are right infront of them. If you can't pay the extorters, pay their enemies, if you can't do that? Go to the police. If that doesn't work? Well then you're kind of outta luck.

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7 hours ago, Derrek_Wilson said:

Who extorts business today? It isn't 60's anymore or anything, extortion doesn't fly past anymore, club / bar owners and such..don't really worry about it anymore, world is a bit more civilized and reason why extortion isn't anymore a thing, its because law enforcement & government established a powerful foot-hold during 2000's, where petty crimes like these has been spooked. 

 

That's why you barley hear about it anymore, sure..you pick it up off some Italian-movies or something early 2000's, but extortion isn't a thing anymore, specially when everyone is tired of having random group of people coming in and demanding money, not to mention..when majority of community has illegal-characters, the extortion just isn't it in RP community nor in reality.

Criminal organizations and gangs like Armenian Power, MS-13, 18th Street and other criminal groups in LA regularly extort businesses, I don't think the current year really makes any difference as far as what crimes take place lmfao.

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14 minutes ago, Garras Up said:

Yes, if a player refuses extortion and it goes really bad, the owner is liable to a character kill, the thing people seem to leave out also is that if the criminal comes to CK them and gets killed, they kinda have to CK as well.

If I simply continue to refuse the extortion attempts without showing a blatant disregard for the rules, a CK shouldn't even be considered. Calling the cops and pushing it up the right channels without provoking the extortionists or acting like one-man army, shouldn't warrant me being CK'd under any circumstances. You're basically saying that the legal player either must accept the extortion or risk potentially being CK'd. That's one-sided and completely ridiculous. It will also kill legal RP because players will eventually get fed up with it. Then who will you extort? People wonder why the only businesses you ever see open are bars, clubs and mechanic shops? Even bars and clubs die out after a while due to lack of interest or they get tired of dealing with the bullshit extortion. Why open a business when its almost a certainty you'll have to deal with extortion and literally have no choice but to accept the deal or die?

11 minutes ago, Garras Up said:

Criminal organizations and gangs like Armenian Power, MS-13, 18th Street and other criminal groups in LA regularly extort businesses, I don't think the current year really makes any difference as far as what crimes take place lmfao.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=MS-13+extortion

 

They also get caught regularly and end up with long prison sentences. This isn't the case here, which means there's little to no options for the legal RP'er besides accept their fate and go along with the extortion. That again sounds very one-sided and counter-productive to an enjoyable RP environment.

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Just now, Cypher said:

Calling the cops and pushing it up the right channels without provoking the extortionists or acting like one-man army, shouldn't warrant me being CK'd under any circumstances. You're basically saying that the legal player either must accept the extortion or risk potentially being CK'd.

I've now asked some similar questions of the person who wrote the guide and I'm really interested in his response. I think it will be illuminating either way. In other words, legitimate RP or self interested cash-grab?

 

I'd also add something to the debate, I keep hearing the pro-extortion people saying things like, "It's only $5,000, you can afford it". My question is, if it's such a nominal amount, how does that reward even justify the risk of being caught and subject to prosecution by approaching a business that's merely on your "turf", is not linked with you socially, racially, ethnically, and structurally, and also very, very likely to simply call the police? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Greyfeather said:

I'd also add something to the debate, I keep hearing the pro-extortion people saying things like, "It's only $5,000, you can afford it". My question is, if it's such a nominal amount, how does that reward even justify the risk of being caught and subject to prosecution by approaching a business that's merely on your "turf", is not linked with you socially, racially, ethnically, and structurally, and also very, very likely to simply call the police?

There have only ever been three cases ever involving or even mentioning the charges of extortion. Go do a word search of "extortion" in the Judiciary section of the criminal division cases. There's a lack of prosecution and thus creates the premise that extortion rackets don't ever get caught. There is no legal recourse in-character to the act of extortion. They either don't get caught at all or go to jail for a mere few days and then they are back out on the streets doing it again. From a detectives point of view, I'm sure that's really discouraging. So with that issue, how does a legal RP'er pursue the simple act of calling the police when in the end it yields almost no result?

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