Drug Market Revamp

[Ted]

@UTOPIA Your way of fixing the issue is arguable and elitist. You mention supply and demand as if there isn't constant and ongoing debate about how to run the real world economy, let alone a virtual one. You fail to acknowledge the law of the price-elacisity of supply and demand. When people say the drug market is fucked, they tend to mean it's not profitable. Perhaps supplier prices should be dropped to encourage less expensive sale. Perhaps not, this is an argument to be had, but do not act as if all capitalist economic theory is on your side. Many people on the server may argue that increasing the supply, and thus lowering the cost, would encourage more demand, thus fixing the problem with the opposite solution. Lowering the supply lowers the amount of money that would thus be circulated. Drugs for the most part are also resold on the server. Your suggestion is merely to cause an inflation in price, which if that is what you want, state it directly.

 

You furthermore state that the drug overhaul is what we have to wait for, but the drug overhaul at this point has become a green light at the end of the dock. It is easy for you, and other millionaires, to act as if you are taking a bullet for the server but suggesting the flow of drugs stop. Certainly, there was an over-speculation as to the demand by the supplier program, and seed fiasco fucked up marijuana for sure. However your suggestion hits the last men in the drug-centipede the hardest, as it will be them buying for the massively inflated price. Waiting for the drug revamp does nothing, and Im telling you right now that the majority of issues talked about in this thread will remain afterwards. The revamp of drugs will not change the culture around drug consumption. So perhaps you should put down your econ one textbook and understand, many of the people here are complaining about the culture and hierarchy around the drug economy which could be describe as relatively void of hard drug usage, and human-centipede/Ponzi-Scheme. If you use the drug update, which we have been getting promised for an incredibly long time, as a way to shut down talk around the drug economy then you need to reconsider how to get the drug revamp worked on. Providing constant criticism and raising constant hell over the always sub-par drug economy is one of the ways we advocate for reform. It is in times that the illegal factions community stays silent that /bedfuckmale and /bedfuckfemale are added to the server. @Henning said, correctly, "The update we need has to address how drugs enter the server, and how they exit"

Edited November 16, 2020 by Ted
Price Elasticity

[aldo]

u had to use that diagram 😂😂🤣

Edited November 16, 2020 by aldo

[bricksbricksbricks]

lol
When you do heroin your player should be duped and a copy stays in DIM 0 (donno how the f u would do that but) and you are teleported to herion dimension where you can drive cars and do crazy stunts but your chat can also update with content from your DIM 0 Location. lmao, I mean I would use.

 

 

[UTOPIA]

@Ted You misunderstood my post, I assume you read something you disagreed with politically and decided it was appropriate to go into a tangent about the economy and your stance on socialism, which I could care less about. In my last post I heavily advocated for the drug overhaul, we can't suggest or make changes to something that we know nothing about, and considering we haven't heard anything about the drug update mentioned, what members of the illegal scene should be advocating for is for the drug overhaul's completion so that we can accurately make adjustments in its infancy. In your latest post you quoted Henning and agreed with him, I said the exact same thing! 

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if there were some statistics that could reflect upon the consumption of drugs to the ratio of drugs pumped into the economy, that would probably be how IFM could monitor and supply drugs in the future.

I was simply offering a band aid solution to correct our current circumstance, but thank you for overlooking that so you could find an excuse to post your communist gobble-dee-gook.

[orangejuice]

23 minutes ago, bricksbricksbricks said:

lol
When you do heroin your player should be duped and a copy stays in DIM 0 (donno how the f u would do that but) and you are teleported to herion dimension where you can drive cars and do crazy stunts but your chat can also update with content from your DIM 0 Location. lmao, I mean I would use.

 

 

This is perfect. Someone put that on the actual suggestions section.

[bricksbricksbricks]

1 minute ago, orangejuice said:

This is perfect. Someone put that on the actual suggestions section.

o lawl i thought this was a suggestion thread about drogas how did I even end up here Iw as in the suggestions forum

[knppel]

Putting the blame on the civilian side is narrow minded here.

As a civilian looking for drugs ic, I've seen as many criminals who do not constantly scriptwise consume drugs (in cases despite roleplaying the use constantly), as this would cost them precious resources/they might not actually have access to any ic drugs.

 

In other words, same as fish centipedes smell from the top, specially if everyone pretends to be that top regardless of wether there's anyone attached to them or not- if everyone who roleplayed consuming a drug also took a unit scriptwise, the market would rejoice.

 

As a matter of fact, criminal roleplayers cheat around drugs. The soft way is to roleplay drugs that are not there, or give oneself a background as succesfull dealer by simulating starter cash as drug money with no drugs.

The hard way is that people use legal systems to create fake items to try to come off as cool dealers that don't need to legal job:

 

Please take note how the producer added extra brackets saying (14) after pretending to try to sell 14 units of Xanax. It showcases elegantly that this is not a spontanously made up thing to enhance roleplay (as the player doing this claimed it to be), but a simple blatant amount to cheat one's way around the system and scam other players, and most likely routine (the bracket fake amount indicates the player had previously ran into people who cared about their resources and complained, and thus tried to sophisticate their method as if this would actually fool anybody).

 

Exploring the options so far, I'm disappointed- not by the detail that criminal rpers (exceptions stating the rule) are poser-Escobars, that was to expect, but moreso that this person didn't even get the idea to use consumables for what is, by all means, a consumable!

If only people put as much effort in simulating their Godfather rp as they put in their emotes, LS would be a better place.

 

Besides that, this

59 minutes ago, UTOPIA said:

we can't suggest or make changes to something that we know nothing about, and considering we haven't heard anything about the drug update mentioned, what members of the illegal scene should be advocating for is for the drug overhaul's completion so that we can accurately make adjustments in its infancy.

What could do good in terms of rules is stricter roleplay around drugs to enforce the simulation grade the legal sector has in this area.

I can not rp a rich business owner without actually owning a business and being rich enough to act like it- obvi.

Why are criminals allowed to rp drug owners/users without to own/use them actually?

 

(Rethorical answer anyone doing it will give: "I did it for arr pee". But then complain the simulation does not work out. Jeeeesus, people!)

Edited November 16, 2020 by knppel

[Guest]

The servers economy, and real life’s economy aren’t 1:1. It never will be, it never has been. It’s been stated a million times. Instead of sitting around and complaining on this thread it’d probably be easier to realize from an IC perspective that anything other than weed, cocaine, and probably ecstasy will barely sell and be used.
 

That’s the city we all ICly live in like it or not. Instead of trying to create some artificial demand to force your story of selling X drug here why not just come to the realization, as would happen IRL if a product wasn’t selling, that no one wants it and you should probably start dealing in what people actually want. 
 

The demand isn’t there for all these hard drugs? OK, sell whatever’s in demand. I don’t see how finding some OOC solution for this will help at all especially making the server into some script grinding RPG. Just take the L, come to the realization your product isn’t wanted here and try and supply something the people in the city actually want. 

[Ted]

@UTOPIA Not anywhere do I mention anything remotely socialist, merely basic capitalist economic principles. Are illegal role players really to be relegated to complaining about the lack of completion of the drug overhaul when talking about the drug economy? This is something we have been waiting on since March 24th, 2019. Well over a year at this point. I agree with your advocation for log keeping in regards to drug usage and transfer, you seem to think it necessary before anything else is done. In which case, we will be waiting two more years, given a drug overhaul can't be done in 1 1/2. You seemed to miss this part, and so I shall state it again, people are complaining about the culture and hierarchy around the drug economy. A drug overhaul will not change this. The reality is that the end consumer of a great deal of drugs on this server are people who are scammed, as opposed to drug addicts. 

[Ted]

@Omerta Wow what a great solution. Instead of doing anything for the large amounts of people who wish to the usage of a variety of drugs, just tell them to stop trying to sell those things! We shouldn't make any attempts to try and improve user experience, realism, rp standards, fuck all of that noise. It is how it is and it'll just stay that way, so stop complaining!