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1 hour ago, MixedKidYT said:

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying, PD are the people in the server that should be setting examples, they are the ones who should be holding the standards and teaching the people who don't understand how to properly RP. If a somewhat new player sees PD not rping crashes and not getting in trouble, then they will start. Like I said all this is great about PD and their effort, but IMO they aren't doing enough to set a good example, which is what needs to happen.

You are the person who should be setting the standards and teaching the people who don't understand how to properly roleplay. Why do I say this? Because it is a community effort to push the standards within this community ever so higher, and to offer support to those who are falling below those standards. If their attitude is of the one that they are superior and or don't care, then that is one for you to consider a report to the staff team for.

 

With regards to tackling this PD issue regarding pursuits/play to win attitude. Police Department is held to high standards here. We have to write detailed reports on any arrests that we make, including providing evidence on occasion. It is common practice for PD to deploy Shadowplay recordings because it aids us when we are challenged on the content of our reports as to whether they are accurate. I cannot speak for everyone, but for myself, I do not adopt a play to win attitude and it doesn't bother me not whether I catch someone or they evade me.

 

Lets talk about standards of driving. Police Officers go through the academy. They pass the academy and become accredited Police Officers on a Field Training Programme. Great, they are one step closer to pursuing you; but here's the issue, they can't. They need to undergo a SEPARATE course for how to drive an emergency vehicle properly. This course has a waiting list, and designated times and dates to attend. They have to apply, and their internal disciplinary record is looked at before accepting them. If they're a poor driver in general, they won't get on the course, etc etc. Now passing this allows you to drive a basic car, a Scout, a Victor, or a Buffalo, among a few others of a similar speed range. These vehicles are capable, but well matched to a medium type of speed of vehicle, and will get outranked in a high speed pursuit. Now; high speed pursuits are common, so the PD has developed a way of tackling these.

 

If an Officer wants to hop into an Interceptor, they must undertake an advanced driving course which allows them to be qualified to deploy an Interceptor. Can they patrol in this Interceptor now? No, they cannot. They can only deploy it when a Departmental Supervisor gives them permission. This permission is usually given in RESPONSE to a pursuit being started, and less commonly to pre-empt a pursuit. Again, this course has scheduled times and dates, and is LESS COMMON than the basic course to undertake, while also being more difficult to pass, and your driving record is scrutinised heavily.

 

Lets talk about Officers who want to Patrol in an interceptor, they must apply to a specialised division. This division has requirements, and standards that its members must uphold. Can an Officer who has been involved in many accidents get into this division? Likely not, same with their general driving ability. If peers have determined this to be poor, and divisional leadership are aware, they may deny a candidate for this. This division is highly skilled, and is highly capable at high speed pursuits as this is a function of their job.

 

Furthermore, lets speak about Officers who get into accidents. What happens when you crash your high speed car? You roleplay the incident, roleplay getting your car fixed, and then jump back into it, no paperwork, no fuss. If an Officer has a crash and they are deemed to be at fault, they MUST call for a Traffic Supervisor to come down, fill out a report on the accident, deem who is at fault, record relevant details, speak to involved parties, and conduct a full investigation. This report must be written and submitted for Faction Leadership/Supervisors to review. Upon review, if this officer is deemed to have been at fault, they will have their PERMISSION to drive BASIC VICTORS/BUFFALOS/SCOUTS revoked, and be FORCED to complete a requalification on the basic driving course, waiting for the next available date and time. They are not allowed to drive like this until they are recertified and will suffer further punishments if they disregard this.

 

Police have access to AIR units as-well for pursuits, and these are a great tool for following people. This isn't play to win, this is just how it is in reality, it's always hard to escape from Police. If you plan things well, you can evade Police, but it requires a lot of skill.

 

Lets talk about members now; they are individual players, just like you. You are responsible for upholding these standards just as much as I am, and the rest of the LSPD, LSSD, LSFD, SFM, etc etc. If people aren't following the rules, please bring it up to the Admin Team's attention via a report, or the Faction Leadership of the faction that this individual is in. I know for a fact things are taken seriously when there is proof offered, so be sure to record these negative incidents that you have with people.

 

I hate people who break the rules, and it saddens me further when it's a member of LSPD/LSSD/LSFD/SFM doing so, as I expect more from these members too; however, you following the rules is just as important as us, and remember, we have a bigger burden on us to follow the rules than you do. If you firmly believe members not following the rules is negatively impacting on the server, the way you will bring a change to it is not making a big topic on the forums, but by reporting these individuals WITH EVIDENCE, so that server management see the pattern, and can act on it appropriately.

 

To put it simply, evidence is important; and many people fail to provide evidence whereby Police roleplayers usually have evidence which backs up their own counter claims.

 

Please remember everyone is an individual and not to focus your attention towards the LSPD/LSSD/LSFD/SFM etc. as a group because while I am part of that group, I don't personally know everyone in that group and I can tell you there is bound to be some bad eggs within this group given how large it is.

 

Do your bit, set the standards and report those not conforming to those standards, as we are bound by server rules to the same extent you are, but with added rules internally to our own factions and standards expected.

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I do not think there is a difference between a player in PD or a player in another faction. Everyone on the server should be a role model for roleplay and provide the best roleplay he can to make the server better and more fun for everyone.

True, there will always be people who use certain benefits and will not always cite the server rules, but it's not just in PD, it can happen in any other faction and needs to be dealt via reports and so on.

I'm writing it from the point of view of one who is not in any of the legal factions (PD, FD, SD).

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17 hours ago, RoamPT said:

Awweee... I'm glad it brings you amusement. Because I also find amusing street ricers buying the same cars over and over again, fully moding them so they can go and bait police in an attempt to evade them 🤡

Then report them, I honestly have never seen anyone bait out a cop on purpose nor do I know anyone who does it. Some people brag about evading, but then again they won't stop for a cop when they just passed at 120 mph.

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1 hour ago, Shiro said:

Then report them, I honestly have never seen anyone bait out a cop on purpose nor do I know anyone who does it. Some people brag about evading, but then again they won't stop for a cop when they just passed at 120 mph.

Most of the street racing scene here is toxic, cop baiting is a pretty normal occurence for us, ask any LEO.  And that's where things start to crumble, most of them don't even roleplay realistic speeds on the city streets, realistically no one would be driving at speeds of 120mph and blowing through red lights. But hey it's the normal occurence and that's the roleplay example they set. So we have to deal with it, trust me we do report. They do not learn the lesson and they go back to do the same thing. Hence why some of them got banned.

 

Our Interceptor training is more of an IC formality and not actually an OOC training like we were incompetent or something to drive in a videogame. The main focus is for you to learn how to perform certain interception methods closer to reality.

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19 hours ago, Kenshi Haroku said:

You are the perfect embodiment of what the vast majority in the community do. And that's take things for granted. Without even sparing a second thought about the work people for example in the justice department do. Specifically the DA's office. Public defenders, judges, everyone associated to the judiciary system. 

The countless amounts of reports, painstakingly put together by people. The effort put in by people in PD & SD on the daily. Just to provide Y O U  with a good RP experience. All in the name of providing a realistic experience for people. 

 

Hell, If you cause an accident, and you're proven to have made a grievous mistake with regards to your driving capabilities. You have to chance to be forced to re-certify in driving a car. That means re-applying. Re-sitting in training, getting re-certified. 

Enforcing standards is all good and well. But standards need to be applied unilateral. Across the board. And not subject to double-standards. 

And so are you, you speak highly of double-standards and pull all of the illegal roleplayers over one edge. There's /MULTIPLE/ of illegal factions that has a lengthier and heavier initiation process than that of LSPD which requires a magnitude of screenshots, roleplay, development, portrayal, and unique ideas of roleplay to even gain the slightest step through the door, something that you viciously just swept away in your earlier comment:

 

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The way the LSPD works in GTAW is next-level compared to SAMP-based PD factions. I've got over a decade's worth of experience and been in multiple. So I feel qualified to make that statement. The amount of work, dedication and above all, thick skin. That is required from people who join the LSPD is honestly in my humble opinion, exceeding what you'd call a "Game". 

To put things into perspective:

You, can go out and find some random joe shmoe that sells anything you can dream off. And get it to do whatever it is you want to do. I'm talking about drugs, and I'm talking about guns. 

PD & SD people, undergo months going through the motions of getting hired, getting inducted, getting trained. All of this happens icly. And often spend an even larger amount of time, gaining a permanent spot within the department as an Officer II.

It's only THEN. that the department opens up to you, and you can start exploring your options on what type of roleplay you want to go with, of which it offers a vast, vast amount of options.

 

You, can go out and buy a retro elegy custom with minimal RP or justification financial-wise and mod the everloving shit out of it so it's superglued to the roads even at mach 3.

PD & SD People, have to undergo even more training, to learn the BASICS. of driving interceptor vehicles designed and set up to nail people who drive vehicles that walk away from anything else they have in their motorpool. 

To add onto that. There are only 25 or so people. In a department of 200 plus.  25 people who form a team of officers that use those high performance interceptors on a daily basis. That is 25 people for a server of thousands.  25 people who again, see more training and experience to perform in their role as pursuit interception specialists. 

 

You, and your hood homies/associates/insertothername have freedom to do whatever it is you want to do. Without any form of "paperwork" or obligations required of you. 

PD & SD  people, again, have  a limited number of people dedicated to handle things in their wheelhouse. And again, guess what comes with that. You guessed it, even more paperwork ontop of your paperwork. Even more training, more dedication, commitment. People spend months investigating major cases. Metropolitan people undergo weapons handeling, tactical scenario's, develop entire playbooks, train tactical scenario's that in most cases, are actual tactics & procedures used by real life law enforcement agencies. Actual protocols, deployment grids, etc.. pulled from the NTOA. I've had a few cop friends joking around, saying people in the metropolitan branch know their stuff as good as his real life agency's tactical team. And went on to say they could form a real-life tactical element composing of these guys based off of the stuff they teach & preach. 

 

I find it borderline offensive that you flame others of looking down on LSPD with the defense that you have to do so much more than any illegal roleplayer while that's just not simply true. You have good and bad factions and illegal roleplayers, everything and everyone on this server don't have the same standards. But don't claim double-standards when you're advocating it yourself.
You got plenty of experience within LEO factions, but do you have the experience of the illegal faction to downplay their efforts in the way you've just done?

 

If you think that the PD stands more to lose from a fuck up then you're wrong as well, most illegal roleplayers face a CK when they fuck up, and 99% of all illegal factions don't let the same member back with the same rank, their entire development, portrayal, contacts, relationships all of it, gone in a second. Whilst a PD member gets a headstart by being bumped down one or two ranks.
Yes, there's no rule against keeping the same rank after being CK'd in an illegal faction, but it's pisspoor roleplay, how is a street-gang supposed to respect some random guy that just showed up in the hood without having seen him before, no credentials, no nothing. It just doesn't work for a proper portrayal and skims away a load of development in the process.
All I'm saying is, the pendulum swings both ways.

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what is the actual point of this thread? all i see is bickering about pd's roleplay. do you think that's going to change overnight? there's been a lot of policy changes that are swinging the faction in the right direction. rome wasn't built in a day. let the new(ish) leadership do their thing and judge them along the line, they're definitely listening to your feedback. its still early days

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LSPD should never be compared to real life police.

 

if LA had the amount of cop killing this server has they'd put metal detectors at every gas station.

 

2 Cops died in the last year in LA, how many died ( PK&CK ) on GTAW? 20? 50? Probably more.

LSPD should be far more aggressive in response time and numbers due to homicide rate and number of weapons per person being sky high compared to real life LA.


LSPD should be far more aggressive in pursuits due to the amount of felons, armed felons and drug dealers who Evade, not to mention the amount of supercars this server has.

 

How often do people in supercars evade in real life? I'd imagine not a lot because they usually have no reason to run from cops.

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