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The advantage of LSPD


MixedKidYT

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Being generous with you, I just don't feel you've brought enough of an argument in to have started this discussion, even if I vaguely agree with what you're being critical of. Isn't it good that the example you outlined (reported cop & three separate admin decisions) was reversed? Sure, ideally it would have been 'gotten right' the first time, but rectification is a welcome second best, I'd say. If I was an admin presented with two versions of that report with one involving an officer claiming 'combat experience/training' and the other being a gang member younger than 25, I'd certainly say the former is much more believable and generally acceptable than the latter at first glance.

 

When it comes to script-based (e.g. access to a handcuff command) or rule-based (permission for VOIP) advantages, I'm less absolutist and more concerned with outcomes. It should be 'realistic', yes, and it should generally reflect something existing, but it should also engender role-play, or at the very least, not harm it. A good example of all of these ideas in action is in the trace command: it's hilariously neutered and weak compared to how accurate, powerful, and almost inescapable cellphone/location tracing is nowadays, but it's implemented this way so that officers don't instantly catch people with a phone number, with the result being far more interesting cat and mouse conflict.

 

Would it be realistic for a city with statistically this much crime to have facial recognition software and cameras on almost all public intersections? Would it also be realistic for that software to locate and send out alerts to officers when it recognizes the face of someone with an open warrant so that they can be confronted? If this sounds scary and Orwellian, I assure you, it is, and it also exists. But it simply wouldn't be very fun.

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7 hours ago, Selena said:

IF MG occurs you need to prove that other than just saying "they use teamspeak!!!!"

But people HAVE proved that MGing is occurring, people have left PD and said it's a wide spread issue. We see new videos every other week of PD MGing over VOIP so why you feel the need to gaslight members of the community is beyond me. Are you telling me that communicating info when your dead or when you wouldn't actually be able to transmit, especially over VOIP which already gives them an advantage IG ISN'T metagaming/powergaming???

 

The OOC Advantage on this server for PD is they are innocent until proven guilty when it comes to MGing and staff members like yourself @Selena put all the responsibility on the players to catch these rulebreakers yet we have no way to do so. When they MG over voip? We aren't in TS to hear it. When we report them for MGing faction info? They get to hide behind "Sensitive police business" where we can't pick apart their story. We aren't even given the ability to prove it so how do you expect us to do so?

 

Or, if you want me to be blunt: Who should be enforcing the rules in PD? Me, the random player or you the staff member on Legal FM who also is in PD?

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Like many others have said. Beating a dead horse. 

The way the LSPD works in GTAW is next-level compared to SAMP-based PD factions. I've got over a decade's worth of experience and been in multiple. So I feel qualified to make that statement. The amount of work, dedication and above all, thick skin. That is required from people who join the LSPD is honestly in my humble opinion, exceeding what you'd call a "Game". 

To put things into perspective:

You, can go out and find some random joe shmoe that sells anything you can dream off. And get it to do whatever it is you want to do. I'm talking about drugs, and I'm talking about guns. 

PD & SD people, undergo months going through the motions of getting hired, getting inducted, getting trained. All of this happens icly. And often spend an even larger amount of time, gaining a permanent spot within the department as an Officer II.

It's only THEN. that the department opens up to you, and you can start exploring your options on what type of roleplay you want to go with, of which it offers a vast, vast amount of options.

 

You, can go out and buy a retro elegy custom with minimal RP or justification financial-wise and mod the everloving shit out of it so it's superglued to the roads even at mach 3.

PD & SD People, have to undergo even more training, to learn the BASICS. of driving interceptor vehicles designed and set up to nail people who drive vehicles that walk away from anything else they have in their motorpool. 

To add onto that. There are only 25 or so people. In a department of 200 plus.  25 people who form a team of officers that use those high performance interceptors on a daily basis. That is 25 people for a server of thousands.  25 people who again, see more training and experience to perform in their role as pursuit interception specialists. 

 

You, and your hood homies/associates/insertothername have freedom to do whatever it is you want to do. Without any form of "paperwork" or obligations required of you. 

PD & SD  people, again, have  a limited number of people dedicated to handle things in their wheelhouse. And again, guess what comes with that. You guessed it, even more paperwork ontop of your paperwork. Even more training, more dedication, commitment. People spend months investigating major cases. Metropolitan people undergo weapons handeling, tactical scenario's, develop entire playbooks, train tactical scenario's that in most cases, are actual tactics & procedures used by real life law enforcement agencies. Actual protocols, deployment grids, etc.. pulled from the NTOA. I've had a few cop friends joking around, saying people in the metropolitan branch know their stuff as good as his real life agency's tactical team. And went on to say they could form a real-life tactical element composing of these guys based off of the stuff they teach & preach. 

 

Ultimately, wether or not they have an "advantage" is academic at best. But know that without a shadow of a doubt. The work, dedication, loyalty and above all the time. That's put into the faction by these people, is grossly underappreciated at best. 

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13 hours ago, MixedKidYT said:

Not to mention PG, such as using a panic button after they die, or not rping any type of injuries during chases.

pretty sure the panic button issue is being handled.

 

as for not rping injuries during a chase, im not sure what you mean. we all do our best to rp in chases, especially if we crash into another car.

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28 minutes ago, Bauer said:

as for not rping injuries during a chase, im not sure what you mean. we all do our best to rp in chases, especially if we crash into another car.

Some members might be sure, but considering I have seen multiple instances where a police car crashes and then puts themselves back into the pursuit, that's why I am making that statement. PD trying to play bumper cars does not seem that realistic to me.

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