An actual solution to removing the robbery limit.

[Valkyria]

What's stopping me from holding someone at gunpoint, forcing them to an ATM and milking their $$$ completely dry with a van that they can load with cash?

 

Technically within the confines of the suggestion you've proposed.

 

[zaXer.]

3 minutes ago, Santanaa said:

50 grand would be 500k in-game money, a business wouldn't be able to amass such fortune and keep it in their property, due to risk factors. 50k in-game is only 5k irl, which can easily fit in a pocket. If you want to rob business owners, go for elaborate rp like extortion or scamming. Think realistically. 

 

You also have to account how this affects gang roleplay.

Gangsters aren't supposed to be able to get rich off one or two robberies. 

you include risk factors, but dont take in consideration there's no risk where you can lose only $5k.

Gang roleplay? yeah, gangs will be able to rob what you carry on you. Who in the hood IRL walks around with thousands of money on them?

currently in the US the most easily accessible high bill is $100. $5000 is still 50 bills, how exactly are you gonna stuff that in your pockets?

 

 

[zaXer.]

4 minutes ago, Wirbelwind said:

What's stopping me from holding someone at gunpoint, forcing them to an ATM and milking their $$$ completely dry with a van that they can load with cash?

 

Technically within the confines of the suggestion you've proposed.

 

what's stopping you is that the fact ATM's are all video surveillanced live and it's the quickest way to get yourself arrested.

what's also stopping you is that ATM's do not have millions in them, you cannot withdraw all your money on an ATM

what's also stopping you is that you got a daily withdraw limit, you cannot withdraw $5000 out of an ATM at once

[caballero]

Just now, zaXer. said:

you include risk factors, but dont take in consideration there's no risk where you can lose only $5k.

Gang roleplay? yeah, gangs will be able to rob what you carry on you. Who in the hood IRL walks around with thousands of money on them?

currently in the US the most easily accessible high bill is $100. $5000 is still 50 bills, how exactly are you gonna stuff that in your pockets?

 

 

This is 50k in bills, which would equal 500k in game.

Can easily fit on a person, at 2 stacks per pocket.

 

I was talking about risk factors IRL.

 

You don't really get the gang point.

Gangs will go to places like mission row, vinewood, etc. And wait for people with suits to come out with backpacks on. 

[Valkyria]

1 minute ago, zaXer. said:

what's stopping you is that the fact ATM's are all video surveillanced live and it's the quickest way to get yourself arrested.

what's also stopping you is that ATM's do not have millions in them, you cannot withdraw all your money on an ATM

what's also stopping you is that you got a daily withdraw limit, you cannot withdraw $5000 out of an ATM at once

1. Not on the server, they're not.

2. Also not on the server.

3. Also not on the server.

[zaXer.]

Just now, Santanaa said:

This is 50k in bills, which would equal 500k in game.

Can easily fit on a person, at 2 stacks per pocket.

 

I was talking about risk factors IRL.

 

You don't really get the gang point.

Gangs will go to places like mission row, vinewood, etc. And wait for people with suits to come out with backpacks on. 

i'll have a hard time fitting that in my pockets unless you got cargo pants or something. I carry a wallet, phone, keys, etc and other things inside my pockets as well.

also, why would I walk around with $50k in my pockets IRL?

Gangs will go to those places, sure. Why would a club owner go and deposit $50k in the bank on his own, though? if you do a dumb move, your fault on losing it. Most businesses hire security for their openings - use them to move your money.

[zaXer.]

2 minutes ago, Wirbelwind said:

1. Not on the server, they're not.

2. Also not on the server.

3. Also not on the server.

which doesnt stop it from being added, right?

It wouldnt require much to add a withdraw limit and timer for like, say 1 hour. If someone wants to withdraw over the limit, same can go inside a bank and withdraw it all on the desk.

There are very easy solutions to all of that.

not to mention that IRL almost no bank is going to let you withdraw all of your money (considering you have an impressive amount of a bank balance) at once, unless you privately request them and warn them about it beforehand. Banks dont have that much money in their offices that you may think they do.

Edited October 29, 2020 by zaXer.

[TritonXVII]

This comes up in every, EVERY roleplay community.

 

1. Robbing is NOT a way to become rich or make a living.

2. Enforcing OOC/script regulations like those actually hinder quality of life, since there might be a legitimate reason why you need cash in hand.

3. Enforcing these policies adds a load of work for the devs because now everything needs to be integrated into credit cards/bank transactions, including purchasing shit off the store, gambling, getting chips/credits from shops/casinos/establishments.

 

My question is, why are you bothered that someone walks around with 400 grand on them? 

 

Also FYI, most of the server is not filthy rich. Most players are <200k in net worth. To put things into perspective, any car that's above 150k is owned by fewer than 100 people, in total. For example, there are only 10-13 pariahs in the entire server. There are about 100 komodas in the entire server, 20 raidens and so on.

People are NOT walking around with millions as commonly as you think, and 5k is a PERFECT robbery limit to both incentivize robberies for hood-rat characters AND at the same time prevent people from making it their primary money avenue.

[Exploits]

If this is paired with something like a debit card system so that we don't have to carry cash on us anymore, then maybe. But even then, I'm firm on my stance that the money you make robbing should not even factor into your decision to do it. It is not a scheme for making money. To look at robberies right now and come away with the conclusion that the problem is that it doesn't pay enough is ridiculous, because it is not a job; it does not provide a salary; there is no guaranteed pay or contract here. You're taking an immense risk and committing a felony and even with this suggestion in place, you're more likely to come away with $0 than with $10,000 (or +).

 

Either you commit a robbery because, circumstantially, it is fitting to your character, or it's undergone as a social signal to a criminal group that you're willing to take risks, or it's done to push away certain groups from your neighbourhood. That's to say -- do it for the role-play. But the last thing it should ever become is a scheme for making money, because that is absurdly far from the reality of what robberies are. They are almost all risk with no reward.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Exploits

[zaXer.]

2 minutes ago, TritonXVII said:

This comes up in every, EVERY roleplay community.

 

1. Robbing is NOT a way to become rich or make a living.

2. Enforcing OOC/script regulations like those actually hinder quality of life, since there might be a legitimate reason why you need cash in hand.

3. Enforcing these policies adds a load of work for the devs because now everything needs to be integrated into credit cards/bank transactions, including purchasing shit off the store, gambling, getting chips/credits from shops/casinos/establishments.

 

My question is, why are you bothered that someone walks around with 400 grand on them? 

 

Also FYI, most of the server is not filthy rich. Most players are <200k in net worth. To put things into perspective, any car that's above 150k is owned by fewer than 100 people, in total. For example, there are only 10-13 pariahs in the entire server. There are about 100 komodas in the entire server, 20 raidens and so on.

People are NOT walking around with millions as commonly as you think, and 5k is a PERFECT robbery limit to both incentivize robberies for hood-rat characters AND at the same time prevent people from making it their primary money avenue.

 

Why I'm bothered? Because technically looked at it's powergame. Where do you put $400k on you, same as with the weapon rule - you cant carry a shotgun on you without a backpack, etc.

Did you read the whole suggestions? The robbery "limit" will pretty much stand because you simply wont be able to hold more on you, or a sum around that without using a backpack (which still wont get you to an impressive limit)

Can you tell me one reason why would you have to withdraw a large sum and walk around with it?