The Sheriff's Department & You

[sevo]

8 minutes ago, Nikki said:

Three is too much, however I agree that Sheriff's should remain in the county and PD in the city. Right now you got two police agencies with the same rights and duties (apart from jail, but thats in the county anyway) and overlapping jurisdictions on the same patrol grounds. That does not make sense, but it was implemented so sheriff's wouldnt be bored in the county waiting for roleplay.

 

If they just confined themselves to the county and actually made the prison more active instead of just three deputies, that would be a massive improvement imo, esspecially now that county RP is booming anyway.

 

Big no no to three factions lol.

We have the perfect balance right now with the LSSD and LSPD. Each and every faction member is made aware upon joining the faction that our primary responsibility is to man the jail, and this is enforced by supervising staff within the faction. 
 

Many deputies do patrol in the county, there is a specialised unit for county-based patrols. Essentially I feel restricting LSSD to the county is wholly uncalled for and an unjustifiable way of imposing restrictions for no real reason. 

[.Pluto.]

13 minutes ago, Nikki said:

Three is too much, however I agree that Sheriff's should remain in the county and PD in the city. Right now you got two police agencies with the same rights and duties (apart from jail, but thats in the county anyway) and overlapping jurisdictions on the same patrol grounds. That does not make sense, but it was implemented so sheriff's wouldnt be bored in the county waiting for roleplay.

 

If they just confined themselves to the county and actually made the prison more active instead of just three deputies, that would be a massive improvement imo, esspecially now that county RP is booming anyway.

 

Big no no to three factions lol.

Los Santos County is a bigger term than just villages and sandy shores. Los Santos County is 95% of the map. 

[Tseard]

16 minutes ago, Nikki said:

Three is too much, however I agree that Sheriff's should remain in the county and PD in the city. Right now you got two police agencies with the same rights and duties (apart from jail, but thats in the county anyway) and overlapping jurisdictions on the same patrol grounds. That does not make sense, but it was implemented so sheriff's wouldnt be bored in the county waiting for roleplay.

 

If they just confined themselves to the county and actually made the prison more active instead of just three deputies, that would be a massive improvement imo, esspecially now that county RP is booming anyway.

 

Big no no to three factions lol.

This is something that we have explained to you in multiple chats on why it was done in this manner and why it won't be restricted to LSPD - city and the LSSD - county. 

 

And no, it wasn't implemented so the LSSD would be bored in the county. That's something that you are making up yourself and I would advise against doing so about a faction that you are not involved in. 

[Keane]

@ThomasNoman per Continuity Management and Legal Faction Management, the entire area we play in is considered to be part of Los Santos County. It makes the most sense given how factions have been roleplaying for the past few years. Having two separate counties would mean each county needs a sheriff, a county district attorney, a county government and so on. It's just not practical with how this community is run. I don't mean that in a bad way either.

 

It's much better logistically to have larger factions rather than many smaller ones. Creating smaller factions to fill specific niches doesn't work in this community unfortunately. They usually don't last long. If the LSSD was just a jail faction, it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is today. Giving faction members the ability to do more than drive circles around Sandy Shores for four hours and staff the jail meant that the faction grew exponentially. This has resulted in a lot more community members that can help run the jail and it attracted higher quality members at the same time. It's easy for us to tag people to log in-game when the jail gets busy. Even if only 10% of the faction logs on to help, it's still more people than a dedicated jail only faction could contribute. 

 

@Nikki restricting any law enforcement factions with a dedicated patrol function to a certain part of the map causes a lot more issues than it solves. I'm not sure how much you know from LSRP but there used to be constant arguing between the LSPD and SASD. Members of the LSPD there used to go insane if the SASD tactical team or detectives went anywhere near the city. It got to a point where SD members were banned from entering the city. The defining of jurisdictional rules in that way just causes more issues than it solves. The current LSPD leadership team here is a lot more mature than that thankfully. In fact, when the LSSD was being created here it was agreed upon to not put rules like that in place. It created a much better playing experience for both factions.

Even without all that in mind, the county is pretty dead. I say that as one of the LSSD members that patrols out there the most. In general, nothing goes on out there. The only time something happens is when the few units that are usually out there are somewhere else. The area is massive to cover. Responding from Paleto Bay to Sandy Shores or vice versa takes three or four minutes. Even if we had ten units out in the county, you might not even notice them because of how big it is. I said it before but it's impossible to ask members of the LSSD to drive around the county for several hours because they'll genuinely find nothing the majority of the time. There has also been several situations where the LSPD has requested LSSD units specifically to help with calls in the city. This includes responding to calls if they're busy and acting as backup for some of their scenes. 

Overall though, saturating the county with the LSSD will not only bore the faction members but it also goes against the mindset we teach our faction members. Crime should be allowed to happen. What we have right now is a good balance between crime suppression and letting illegal factions in the county have freedom to operate. We've received plenty of positive feedback from members of illegal factions in the county because of this. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Keane

[ThatDutchPerson]

1 minute ago, Tseard said:

This is something that we have explained to you in multiple chats on why it was done in this manner and why it won't be restricted to LSPD - city and the LSSD - county. 

 

And no, it wasn't implemented so the LSSD would be bored in the county. That's something that you are making up yourself and I would advise against doing so about a faction that you are not involved in. 

I got the thing about LSSD being bored when stuck to the county directly from the LSSD's statement. I am not making stuff up here. And hey, I understand the reasoning behind it, but that does not mean I agree with it. Its an unfortunate situation nevertheless as realism is a bit neglected with this. But for the sake of roleplay, it is neccesary. But, I don't agree with it. And thats fine, you know.

 

4 minutes ago, Keane said:

@Nikki restricting any law enforcement factions with a dedicated patrol function to a certain part of the map causes a lot more issues than it solves. I'm not sure how much you know from LSRP but there used to be constant arguing between the LSPD and SASD. Members of the LSPD there used to go insane if the SASD tactical team or detectives went anywhere near the city. It got to a point where SD members were banned from entering the city. The defining of jurisdictional rules in that way just causes more issues than it solves. The current LSPD leadership team here is a lot more mature than that thankfully. In fact, when the LSSD was being created here it was agreed upon to not put rules like that in place. It created a much better playing experience for both factions.

Even without all that in mind, the county is pretty dead. I say that as one of the LSSD members that patrols out there the most. In general, nothing goes on out there. The only time something happens is when the few units that are usually out there are somewhere else. The area is massive to cover. Responding from Paleto Bay to Sandy Shores or vice versa takes three or four minutes. Even if we had ten units out in the county, you might not even notice them because of how big it is. I said it before but it's impossible to ask members of the LSSD to drive around the county for several hours because they'll genuinely find nothing the majority of the time. There has also been several situations where the LSPD has requested LSSD units specifically to help with calls in the city. This includes responding to calls if they're busy and acting as backup for some of their scenes. 

Overall though, saturating the county with the LSSD will not only bore the faction members but it also goes against the mindset we teach our faction members. Crime should be allowed to happen. What we have right now is a good balance between crime suppression and letting illegal factions in the county have freedom to operate. We've received plenty of positive feedback from members of illegal factions in the county because of this. 

And I completely agree with the reasoning behind the overlapping operational areas. I just dont agree with the operational areas themselves, but its what I'd call a neccesary evil.

 

Great explanation though! 🙂 Maybe it helps clear the minds of others too a bit.

[Keane]

It's not realistic for a sheriff's department to avoid a city like it's some magical anti-deputy barrier. To use a real life example, the LASD patrols in quite a lot of areas within the overall Los Angeles urban area.  The LASD has stations in West Hollywood (West Vinewood), Compton (Davis), East Los Angeles (La Mesa/El Burro Heights) and Marina Del Rey (La Puerta) just to name a few that match up with locations on the map we play on. If we actually wanted to be more realistic, the LSSD would primarily cover the previously mentioned locations. The LASD also covers many cities in the immediate area of Los Angeles. Sheriff's department does not mean rural. In the US, sheriff's departments help secure the courts and run jails. That's me oversimplifying it too. What you see in TV shows and movies that have sheriff's departments in them isn't accurate. A lot of sheriff's departments, the LASD in particular, are well funded and cover several cities. They're not 20 person departments that are underfunded, carry revolvers and wear cowboy hats.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Keane

[caballero]

After a good read of the recent posts after the riot incidents, I've came to the following conclusion :

 

It baffles me that the same people who have decided to throw trash at me in the past in my forum threads are yet again throwing trash onto this. It's quite literally the same group of people who all RP a certain way.

 

Where am I getting with this? I'm saying that there's 2 issues. that the same people keep repeating over and over again in these kind of threads :

 

- The "Play to win" mentality. People like to go around with an OOC mindset of just winning, making the most cash IC, the most reputation IC, having the best everything IC. This has been the case with the recent events, as people thought that they were untouchable despite their criminal actions and not taking into account that EVERYONE is a different human being, and everyone react differently, and most of the times, NOT in your favor. They don't know how to cope OOCly whenever they have something IC happen to them because they thought nothing could happen. Where does this lead them? It leads to OOC fights, reports, tantrums, etc, because, let's say you lose your car IC due to IC reasons, you just go "oh well, it was IC. Stuff happens." This people instead of doing that decides to take OOC action to recover their vehicle, by all means possible.

 

- Having no experience in the matter. This is also very big, people don't know how SD works. They don't know how it's administrated, how corruption works, etc, so they decide to jump to conclusions or be passive-aggressive while asking about how it works, expecting that the answer works in their favor, and when it doesn't they jump to another topic.

 

Thankfully, we have quite some good people here like @BINGBONGGHOST @DjoleK @Airforce @Jonesy @Keane @.Pluto. @honey.and lamb ( Some others aswell, like Archenaux and everyone's who's helped by being respectful, teaching uninformed users. ) who are willing to respectfully (very important. I myself couldn't have been so patient with these people.) explain how it works to them and strive forward despite the bad image that those certain groups of inviduals are spreading around. Keep strong boys!

 

Nothing but kind words to SD and everyone who participates in it, making it the beautiful department that it is today. Props to those who've RP'd with SD in a correct manner, not crying oocly about IC actions. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Santanaa

[ThomasNoman]

18 minutes ago, Keane said:

@ThomasNoman per Continuity Management and Legal Faction Management, the entire area we play in is considered to be part of Los Santos County. It makes the most sense given how factions have been roleplaying for the past few years. Having two separate counties would mean each county needs a sheriff, a county district attorney, a county government and so on. It's just not practical with how this community is run. I don't mean that in a bad way either.

 

It's much better logistically to have larger factions rather than many smaller ones. Creating smaller factions to fill specific niches doesn't work in this community unfortunately. They usually don't last long. If the LSSD was just a jail faction, it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is today. Giving faction members the ability to do more than drive circles around Sandy Shores for four hours and staff the jail meant that the faction grew exponentially. This has resulted in a lot more community members that can help run the jail and it attracted higher quality members at the same time. It's easy for us to tag people to log in-game when the jail gets busy. Even if only 10% of the faction logs on to help, it's still more people than a dedicated jail only faction could contribute. 

 

@Nikki restricting any law enforcement factions with a dedicated patrol function to a certain part of the map causes a lot more issues than it solves. I'm not sure how much you know from LSRP but there used to be constant arguing between the LSPD and SASD. Members of the LSPD there used to go insane if the SASD tactical team or detectives went anywhere near the city. It got to a point where SD members were banned from entering the city. The defining of jurisdictional rules in that way just causes more issues than it solves. The current LSPD leadership team here is a lot more mature than that thankfully. In fact, when the LSSD was being created here it was agreed upon to not put rules like that in place. It created a much better playing experience for both factions.

Even without all that in mind, the county is pretty dead. I say that as one of the LSSD members that patrols out there the most. In general, nothing goes on out there. The only time something happens is when the few units that are usually out there are somewhere else. The area is massive to cover. Responding from Paleto Bay to Sandy Shores or vice versa takes three or four minutes. Even if we had ten units out in the county, you might not even notice them because of how big it is. I said it before but it's impossible to ask members of the LSSD to drive around the county for several hours because they'll genuinely find nothing the majority of the time. There has also been several situations where the LSPD has requested LSSD units specifically to help with calls in the city. This includes responding to calls if they're busy and acting as backup for some of their scenes. 

Overall though, saturating the county with the LSSD will not only bore the faction members but it also goes against the mindset we teach our faction members. Crime should be allowed to happen. What we have right now is a good balance between crime suppression and letting illegal factions in the county have freedom to operate. We've received plenty of positive feedback from members of illegal factions in the county because of this. 

So, are you saying that we modify the lore, Blaine County to make it be considered also as Los Santos County, therefore we only have one county, and Paleto Bay is also apart of Los Santos County? New knowledge to me I never leant OOC or IC after a few hundred hours here.

[lambchops]

45 minutes ago, Nikki said:

Three is too much, however I agree that Sheriff's should remain in the county and PD in the city. Right now you got two police agencies with the same rights and duties (apart from jail, but thats in the county anyway) and overlapping jurisdictions on the same patrol grounds. That does not make sense, but it was implemented so sheriff's wouldnt be bored in the county waiting for roleplay.

 

If they just confined themselves to the county and actually made the prison more active instead of just three deputies, that would be a massive improvement imo, esspecially now that county RP is booming anyway.

 

Big no no to three factions lol.

 

damn man, doesn't make sense...

[Keane]

2 minutes ago, ThomasNoman said:

So, are you saying that we modify the lore, Blaine County to make it be considered also as Los Santos County, therefore we only have one county, and Paleto Bay is also apart of Los Santos County? New knowledge to me I never leant OOC or IC after a few hundred hours here.

It's something that has always been roleplayed behind the scenes but never formally defined up until recently. A full, formal announcement is due to be released soon. This isn't something directly related to how the LSSD faction is run though. I'd prefer to keep the topic clear so we can receive feedback.