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14 minutes ago, KinnyWynny said:

That is extremely rude and misguided. I’m simply giving a technical answer. The company script is very limited, and many companies switch over to running on the faction script to help manage the company and improve roleplay.

 

I simply gave them the steps to do that.

 

Once again, that is no way to make a point. And that is inherently dismissive and rude.

What is rude is that you keep bringing up factions as solution instead of working with the current suggestion on hand. I clearly stated that this suggestion is for people who want to roleplay outside of factions. I keep telling you that this is just as abusable as /fixrevive and you keep ignoring that. I keep telling you that any doctor can have the BLS training if he wishes, and you ignore that.  What you suggest are ways to assist FD. You keep saying, "We" as "FD". The whole pourpose of my suggestion is for players to be free of FD and admin interventions all the time.  If I made a mistake here, is that I forgot to mention independent paradmedics. The suggestion is quite simple. It requires supervision and a strict application. While you make it look like this is some threat to FD rp, or any upcoming hospital faction sanctioned by Legal FM.

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You can't compare running a Hospital faction to the likes of LSPD, LSSD and LSFD. For such a niche community, it is very rare to find a dedicated group to effectively lead, train the newcomers, prepare the mandatory medical handbooks in accordance with the real-life techniques, yet alone do all in long-run. Once the leader(s) decide to step down, you have no choice but to assign the highest-ranked person to the acting position. You can never be confident how well the faction run by probably an inexperienced player, especially given most of the Head of Legal Factions are, also, uninterested with the medical role-play, thus not able to fill the empty shoes.

 

For a server missioning realism as their top priority, doctors' presence is ultimately vital. I had a brief chat with an old friend from FD, who confirms most of the medical calls center around GSW. A paramedic can provide primary aid (BLS) or further (ILS, ALS) and transport, but cannot stich a wound, extract a bullet from a person's body nor offer P2P interaction in Intensive Care Unit for those interested in detailed RP — where doctors' duties come into play.

 

The suggestion is great, however you can't do much on your own as a Doctor except showing off your title in your friend group. You must have active Clinics; laboratories, ERs to obtain the most efficient solution. I assume the current procedure for FD is to NPC once transported to hospital when in reality it can be to any open Medical Clinic with providing an active Trauma Surgeon an opportunity to role-play an operation. It's win-win for both parties; all you have to do is to make Clinics public, let them be supported by GOV (access to /dep and funds), have a private/trusted leader and ask for availability via departmental. Instead of witnessing leaders burn down from heavy responsibilities, make it player-friendly while offering a decent payment from GOV. 

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7 minutes ago, Vitta said:

For a server missioning realism as their top priority, doctors' presence is ultimately vital. I had a brief chat with an old friend from FD, who confirms most of the medical calls center around GSW. A paramedic can provide primary aid (BLS) or further (ILS, ALS) and transport, but cannot stich a wound, extract a bullet from a person's body nor offer P2P interaction in Intensive Care Unit for those interested in detailed RP — where doctors' duties come into play.

Genuinely thank you for such a well put input.

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1 hour ago, Gambler said:

What is rude is that you keep bringing up factions as solution instead of working with the current suggestion on hand. I clearly stated that this suggestion is for people who want to roleplay outside of factions. I keep telling you that this is just as abusable as /fixrevive and you keep ignoring that. I keep telling you that any doctor can have the BLS training if he wishes, and you ignore that.  What you suggest are ways to assist FD. You keep saying, "We" as "FD". The whole pourpose of my suggestion is for players to be free of FD and admin interventions all the time.  If I made a mistake here, is that I forgot to mention independent paradmedics. The suggestion is quite simple. It requires supervision and a strict application. While you make it look like this is some threat to FD rp, or any upcoming hospital faction sanctioned by Legal FM.

I was simply offering an opinion. I'm ultimately supportive of medical roleplay outside of FD. Like I said multiple times. But I guess since I'm from FD, my opinion doesn't matter.

 

I'm just saying since we're one of the few medical options on this server, that /revive isn't needed for a Doc' App system. But hey, it happens. FD is rarely given the time of day anymore.

 

I'll stop cluttering your thread.

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Realistically no First responder EMS member would transport to a private clinic. We transport to emergency care ER's located in government hospitals. If however you wish to establish a hospital faction i am in full agreement that it would be a good thing. Provided that you are able to adequately staff the hospital and have as was previously stated, handbooks written with care which follow the official real life procedures.

 

However in most cases this would lead to long term care for patients, and be similar to the prison system we currently have in place in a way....

 

So it is possible, however most people do not wish to spend that long in hospital! 

 

With that said, a lot of people would genuinely like a hospital based experience. So maybe it would be good in the long run? I do not know, however i do agree that factions are the best way to do it. You do not need a /revive function or independant paramedics. Emergency care will be done on scene. And there is a difference between being a doctor and a first responder.

 

Overall, i have disucssed this topic at length. Every faction has a niche within the servers economy. Which is something that is kind of hard to balance.

 

As for the comment about /fixrevive, that is actually pretty closely monitored by admins. Infact even our use of /revive is monitored so... Yeah...

 

I am in support of medical RP generally speaking, just not on scene/first responder emergency care that would detract from faction based roleplay.

 

Gennnnerally speaking i do not think this idea has much merit. Independant doctors at clinics are already available so... Do you need more? You could open your own clinic if you like?

 

It seems like you are suggesting ... Essentially a clinic. With your original post. Maybe even a GP's surgery?

 

Something to bear in mind however, if you are a doctor and perform treatments on say, someone from a criminal organization. You could always RP the treatment, before or after which /report to a GM and ask if it is okay to do so. The admin team is actually generally very supportive of creative roleplay.

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15 hours ago, Jessica Kim said:

It seems like you are suggesting ... Essentially a clinic. With your original post. Maybe even a GP's surgery?

Thank you for your input. However, you're repeating your fellow FD "cooworker" and I don't feel like repeatin myself again. The suggestion is something different. You FD members have a different viewpoint when it comes to this suggestion and make FD a focal point of it.
Typically characterized with the excessive use of the word "We" when refeering at FD.

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On 3/18/2020 at 10:17 PM, Jessica Kim said:

Realistically no First responder EMS member would transport to a private clinic. We transport to emergency care ER's located in government hospitals.

 

If a Medical Clinic acts as a corner-shop in a far-off place,

If a Clinic is privatized,

If Head of the Clinic sets up their own rules including corruption as the 'business owner',

If Clinics don't function as full-fledged mini-Hospitals,

 

You can't transport, yes. Your claim regarding the transportation of wounded players to Government Hospitals' ER falls short, though. It's not that you run a stretcher inside a Hospital interior and NPC an operation procedure — you drop and go. If a Police needs to interrogate a shot suspect realistically in an RR, how does the process work?

 

On 3/18/2020 at 10:17 PM, Jessica Kim said:

If however you wish to establish a hospital faction i am in full agreement that it would be a good thing. Provided that you are able to adequately staff the hospital and have as was previously stated, handbooks written with care which follow the official real life procedures.

 

So it is possible, however most people do not wish to spend that long in hospital! 

 

The fact that many people don't want to spend time in Hospitals, role-play recovery process and majority even find it possibly boring, are the reasons why Hospital faction would never succeed in long-run — a process that would eventually drain doctors' motivation.

 

On 3/18/2020 at 10:17 PM, Jessica Kim said:

Gennnnerally speaking i do not think this idea has much merit. Independant doctors at clinics are already available so... Do you need more? You could open your own clinic if you like?

 

Players investing on Doctor RP are criminally low, yet alone having the budget to rent a place and hire employees. Imagine dividing them into different clinics. How efficient would that be? Zero. Only provides conditional RP situations like pharmacy.

 

That's why a public Clinic can work as a Medical 'Center', just like the Fort Carson Medical Center we used to have in LSFD in LS-RP for patients in county:

 

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No flashy exterior, no extra medical handbook except those interested in following Trauma Surgeon (Specialists can improvise), no faction activity requirement, and that'd be a reason for a lot of players to at least give it a try. Put Head of Factions in charge of selecting a trusted leader to review applications, create the mandatory corruption and IA documents and properly manage the fund required by GOV, it's done and dusted.

 

 

 

 

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I actually think this is a great idea. It adds a lot of roleplay, adding private clinics, and it could definitely be used in the illegal side. Many mob bosses and gangsters have doctors they hire to treat wounds that would cause too much suspicion. 

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