Current Faction Requirements for Gang RP

[Cadillac]

Hey I'm Safe & Sound, I've been playing this server over a span of a few months now and I'd just like to spark up the topic on gang factions on the server. I've noticed a lot of MCs and mafia factions on the forums, and they're doing what they do. They're all awesome at what they're doing, honestly, in the most genuine form. I noticed that a lot of those factions that are centralized around motorcycle clubs and crime organizations get accepted more than gang factions. I asked on discord why is that and I was told that faction management really analyzes the gang apps that are sent to them thoroughly. And looking at the faction forums now, I don't doubt that, but I do have questions.

Recently, I've had a handful of friends who wanted to gather together and make a faction and it got denied because of the name "Rollin 100s" and there's no 100-199th Street in game. My leader replied to you guys and asked why was there a 20s, 60s and 40s to which Ethanol replied that it was a continuity error that's getting "fixed."  Another friend of mine went on to try and make the Normandie clique for the Mara Salvatrucha 13 gang on here and the idea got denied because there isn't a place called "Normandie" in the game. The faction then went on to make their thread after something else "Tiny Winos." Again, this isn't a rant thread, but an assembly of questions with very intricate arguments. All I ask is that you hear me out. Due to administrative replies, we talked over it and decided to settle for something else. I just want my questions and ideals to be addressed before we go ahead and make something and get denied again. 

I understand that you guys want gangs to be centralized and based on real life LA gangs on here, I get that but what I don't get is why do the names always have to cater to in-game street names. There are countless gangs in real life that are named what they are named based on the gang's historical make up. For example, the Bounty Hunter Bloods are named that not because the Nickerson Garden Projects are named Bounty Hunters, but because the OGs that created liked old western cowboy movies and went on to name their gang "Bounty Hunters" which later went under the Blood identity in the 70s and early 80s. There are numerous Rollin 60s Crip gangs across the US in different cities and states that are located nowhere near a 60th Street, same with Grape Street Watts Crips and so on. The point of me writing all of that down is because I'm not arguing with your take on gangs and how they should be structured on your streets, but I don't believe they should be turned down either. I believe the story behind the gang is most important rather than the name.

The street names in game simply don't identify with what some players on the server are trying to create, which is why we take names from real life gangs and use them for our factions. Referring back to what I said about my friend and the "Normandie clique for MS-13," I believe it could've been acceptable if their Normandie clique had a reasonable background as to why it would be called that.  Another gang that was propose to your faction management team was 18th Street, it got denied because their is no 18th Street in game, yet in real life the "18" is spread out across different states and cities like the aforementioned gangs. And again, I don't believe it's a matter of location but a matter of thorough research and realistic exhibition of gang roleplay.

For instance, the Rollin 100s Crip gang on here could've been could've been called Rollin 100s based on a different reason than that of the real life LA street gang. It'd be spin-off and a recreation at the same time. Not every two things has to match every time, just look at Grand Theft Auto V itself. It's based after LA obviously and parts of the map were manipulated by Rockstar Games to physically identify as LA, but was named something fictional to sell the idea of realism to the player. So why not do the same with the gangs as well? Make it look like the real life gang but with a different reasoning as to why the hood was created in a seemingly realistic faction story. I mean, we already have a Rollin 60s Neighborhood Crip and in the past we've had R20s Bloods and R40s Crips as well. 

The people I surround myself with actually enjoy playing GTA World, and would like to create an appealing gang roleplay community here. All I ask is for there to be a way for faction apps to be a bit more lenient to those who try to provide effort into creating their own gang on here? Especially if they've created their own story and did their own research on the gang, again referring to my MS-13 friend who has done tons of research on the MS-13 itself because of his intense interest in MS-13, 18th Street and Sureno gangs. It demotivates the likes of those with their own ideas of what they want to create.

I mean, if faction management sees no reason to let us create these things, could there at least be some type of trial and error system in faction applications? Like sending the faction thread with a RP screenshot or some type of media to be sent with it to let the faction handlers see what point of view the faction's leader is coming from? 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Safe + Sound

[sleepster.]

I'm with this 100%, it really doesn't make sense.

[wicked iraheta]

31 minutes ago, Safe + Sound said:

The street names in game simply don't identify with what some players on the server are trying to create, which is why we take names from real life gangs and use them for our factions.

This is everything.

 

Not to mention that Rollin (number) Crips exist in just about every single city across the united states, along with the MS-13 Normandie Locos clique. NLS is one of the most powerful and influential cliques within MS-13 and have clicks located all over the United States, just about every main city that has an MS-13 problem is GUARENTEED to have an NLS clique. We were even told we can't give a nickname to a park located in our faction's neighbourhood unless it comes from management, which in my opinion is extremely limited. They leave little to no room for compromise and it's either their way or the highway, which in my opinion takes away from a lot of the creativity and great roleplay that the gang community of this server has to offer.

 

People fail to understand that gangs like 18th Street / Rollin (number) Crips and MS-13 cliques that use certain street names aren't restricted to that single street. The 18th Street Gang doesn't even exist on 18th Street in LA. The MS-13 Normandie Locos clique doesn't even primarily operate on Normandie Avenue in LA. In fact, they operate mainly on Irolo and 8th, 7th and Mariposa along with James M Wood Boulevard.

 

Let me talk about 18th Street for example. Obviously 18 Street is named after an LA street. But if you go ahead and look at an LA gang map, you'll come to find out that 18th Street exists in over 15-20 neighbourhoods across LA, and only ONE 18th street clique in LA even partially occupies a street called 18th Street. As a matter of fact. 18th Street in LA isn't even part of 18st's main turf. 18th Street in LA is Drifters 13 territory.

 

People are giving in too much to this whole continuity thing and as a result, are severely hurting the gang roleplay community & the server in general. I've bought countless people to this server to roleplay with my factions and at the moment? Many of them are considering leaving, simply because they feel that things are too restrictive and to be honest? I feel that way too. Not to bash FM's work or anything, but this whole continuity thing that people are trying to push is going too far, to the point where it's literally dictating what people can and can't RP, and in my opinion that's going to do more harm than good for the server.

 

I've been in contact with excellent roleplayers who had great ideas what they wanted to do on the server, but they ended up leaving for the very reasons that this thread was created and in my opinion, it's very bad and REALLY needs to be re thought.

 

I also don't really see a reason for FM to continue to deny Hispanic factions just because there's already a few Hispanic gangs on the server. It really leaves no room for other concepts. Not every Crip/Blood/Sureno gang is the same and shouldn't be treated as such.

 

 

Edited September 1, 2019 by wicked iraheta

[California]

I just don't feel like the gang rp is welcomed here. I've never felt that type of way in my 8 years of RPing on GTA.... Maybe it's time to just go legal?

[Arrogant Asshole]

This is nothing but the truth, honestly. I'm one of the ones who has gotten denied because of a reason such as street-names and it's demotivating when you have so many things planned behind what you actually want to do and all of that goes to waste. There's so much roleplay that could be produced but isn't given a chance. There already isn't much presented in single-player that revolves around street-gangs and I would have thought this would've been different in a situation like this. GTA V isn't revolved around gangs like San Andreas is therefore street-names are ridiculous when you put it together with the idea that admin's are trying to maintain.

 

There isn't much wiggle room when you want to make a gang such as Harvard Park Brims but have to settle for Imagination Court Brim simply because of a street-name, the whole feel isn't the same. The single player map should be left alone all together and we should adapt our own street-names based off of their in-real life counterparts if that's going to play that much of a huge factor when it comes to making gangs. There's plenty of streets in LA that have numbers in them and I feel as though this should be added for a little bit more realism, again, if it's going to play that much of a factor.

 

I had a discussion with another member of the community about a comment that an admin made about factions and how they're being "repetitive" therefore that plays a big role in lots of gangs being denied as well. I don't see how this could be said when there's a plethora of MC's and OCG's on the server compared to street-gangs. There's very little gangs and they're being denied because of street-names which is, frankly, idiotic. 

 

When I first joined the server with a few friends the thought of making a "gang" was little-to-none because of what they have seen in the factions forums when it came to hood roleplay, there was very little and the little roleplay that they did find wasn't portrayed correctly. Don't get me wrong, there are some factions out there that have been exceptional. A few notable mentions that I'd like to make is Ghetto Boyz, Vanguard along with Dirt Road Dollars. I'm pretty sure there's been more but those are the ones that I've been around to experience for myself being that I've had interactions with both factions. Certain people don't have enough knowledge of what they're roleplaying which leads them to portray it incorrectly. I'm not trying to bash anyone but I'm trying to point things out because it's annoying when I'm forced to have to roleplay with people who can't portray their gang properly. There's actually people that know what they're doing and are trying to make a difference in the whole outlook on gangs on the server but aren't given the chance.

 

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way because I've had countless discussions with other people who make up the half of the server who're involved in street-gang roleplay and they feel the same way I do. It's like FM has more of a say in our factions than we do. 

[wicked iraheta]

3 minutes ago, Arrogant Asshole said:

This is nothing but the truth, honestly. I'm one of the ones who has gotten denied because of a reason such as street-names and it's demotivating when you have so many things planned behind what you actually want to do and all of that goes to waste. There's so much roleplay that could be produced but isn't given a chance. There already isn't much presented in single-player that revolves around street-gangs and I would have thought this would've been different in a situation like this. GTA V isn't revolved around gangs like San Andreas is therefore street-names are ridiculous when you put it together with the idea that admin's are trying to maintain.

 

There isn't much wiggle room when you want to make a gang such as Harvard Park Brims but have to settle for Imagination Court Brim simply because of a street-name, the whole feel isn't the same. The single player map should be left alone all together and we should adapt our own street-names based off of their in-real life counterparts if that's going to play that much of a huge factor when it comes to making gangs. There's plenty of streets in LA that have numbers in them and I feel as though this should be added for a little bit more realism, again, if it's going to play that much of a factor.

 

I had a discussion with another member of the community about a comment that an admin made about factions and how they're being "repetitive" therefore that plays a big role in lots of gangs being denied as well. I don't see how this could be said when there's a plethora of MC's and OCG's on the server compared to street-gangs. There's very little gangs and they're being denied because of street-names which is, frankly, idiotic. 

 

When I first joined the server with a few friends the thought of making a "gang" was little-to-none because of what they have seen in the factions forums when it came to hood roleplay, there was very little and the little roleplay that they did find wasn't portrayed correctly. Don't get me wrong, there are some factions out there that have been exceptional. A few notable mentions that I'd like to make is Ghetto Boyz, Vanguard along with Dirt Road Dollars. I'm pretty sure there's been more but those are the ones that I've been around to experience for myself being that I've had interactions with both factions. Certain people don't have enough knowledge of what they're roleplaying which leads them to portray it incorrectly. I'm not trying to bash anyone but I'm trying to point things out because it's annoying when I'm forced to have to roleplay with people who can't portray their gang properly. There's actually people that know what they're doing and are trying to make a difference in the whole outlook on gangs on the server but aren't given the chance.

 

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way because I've had countless discussions with other people who make up the half of the server who're involved in street-gang roleplay and they feel the same way I do. It's like FM has more of a say in our factions than we do. 

To add to this, my particular group that was doing the NLS clique, had put countless hours into not only roleplaying ingame, but we were also actively doing things such as drawing tattoos/graffiti for mods, drawing all kinds of designs to put up on the thread for entertainment, we'd been planning all kinds of things ingame aswell to improve the overall environment, but all of that was undermined and shot down when we were told we couldn't portray our concept simply because of a non existent street name.

 

In my opinion, IDK about anyone else. But it's really not cool to shoot down people's ideas that they've spent countless hours working on, simply because a few people on the server want 'continuity'.

Edited September 1, 2019 by wicked iraheta

[3Aces]

Definitely not wrong ??‍♂️ But then again idk there was also a thread like this awhile ago that also commented on certain things that should be happening with the faction system but it was basically trashed. It’d be nice to see this thread actually go far.

Edited September 1, 2019 by 3Aces

[varrio bangin]

I'm with this a thousand percent. You have people claiming Hoover Criminal and Neighborhood Crip in various states, from the east to the west. You don't have to be anywhere near the actual 100s in Los Angeles to actually be a 60s Crip, and you don't have to be anywhere near Figueroa Ave. to claim Hoovers. That just applies to any gang, really.

[wicked iraheta]

I sincerely hope this thread doesn't get trashed. It's a conversation that NEEDS to be had. If FM wants us to portray LA / California gangs, allow us to portray them in full, without trying to tell us what we can and can't roleplay in regards to the gang or what we can and can't call our faction.

 

For example, Rollin 20's Neighborhood Blood looks and sounds much more appealing than Brouge Avenue Bloods or Prosperity Street Piru, Rollin 60's Crip sounds a lot more appealing than Imagination Court Crips does.

 

Exactly how Mara Salvatrucha Normandie Locos sounds a lot better & more appealing than Mara Salvatrucha Lindsay Circus Locos or Mara Salvatrucha Ginger Locos. (Like come on, Ginger/Lindsay Circus? What is that?)

[Arrogant Asshole]

1 minute ago, wicked iraheta said:

I sincerely hope this thread doesn't get trashed. It's a conversation that NEEDS to be had. If FM wants us to portray LA / California gangs, allow us to portray them in full, without trying to tell us what we can and can't roleplay in regards to the gang or what we can and can't call our faction.

 

For example, Rollin 20's Neighborhood Blood looks and sounds much more appealing than Brouge Avenue Bloods or Prosperity Street Piru, Rollin 60's Crip sounds a lot more appealing than Imagination Court Crips does.

 

Exactly how Mara Salvatrucha Normandie Locos sounds a lot better & more appealing than Mara Salvatrucha Lindsay Circus Locos or Mara Salvatrucha Ginger Locos. (Like come on, Ginger/Lindsay Circus? What is that?)

 

It's a conversation nobody want's to have but it needs to happen.