What's with the LEO role-players on this game chase baiting?

[ToddyTheBear]

Is it just me or do they order you out the car for simply traffic violations in hopes of you turning it into a chase - knowing they're protected by a rule that prevents you from shooting them if you think they're going to lock you up?
Yes I understand they can't search you - place an LFM report but in all my years of driving I've never been ordered out of a vehicle unless the car I was in was registered to someone who had priors for being armed. I'm genuinely curious to some of you LEO role-players mindsets when you see a car and order them out.

I already KNOW what y'all are about to post;
Typical LEO roleplayer; "Yes, police officers can order you out of your vehicle during a traffic stop, and it's generally advisable to comply. This is a legal right granted to officers, even without a specific reason beyond the lawful stop. The Supreme Court has ruled that exiting a vehicle is a minimal intrusion compared to the safety of officers."

 

I’ve been driving for years IRL with dark tints — not once have I been ordered out of my vehicle for it.
What’s with the extra nonsense in RP?
If you want to be a “people’s person” so badly, maybe go off duty and hit a bar — I don’t sit there chatting about my life story with cops during a traffic stop.

It's simples yes, nos, sir, and the apologizing in hopes of not getting a ticket and they let me on my merry way without ordering me out of my vehicle for complying.
 

Can LFM please step in and stop LEOs from constantly ordering everyone out of the car and turning every basic stop into a forced cop chase?
It would make sense if someone was being pulled out for a legitimate DUI suspicion, or if there was clear cause — like a broken tail light stop escalating into something reasonable.
But pulling people out for simple traffic tickets like tints and or a seatbelt with a clean record is absurd.

Maybe that’s how it goes in Bulgaria, but this server is based in California lore.

Edited May 13 by ToddyTheBear

[Engelbert]

Weird I had all sorts of infractions and not once I was ordered to step out of the car. I am not saying it doesn't happen. But just as some players haven't been robbed yet. I was never ordered to step out of the car.

Edited May 13 by Engelbert

[ToddyTheBear]

24 minutes ago, Engelbert said:

Weird I had all sorts of infractions and not once I was ordered to step out of the car. I am not saying it doesn't happen. But just as some players haven't been robbed yet. I was never ordered to step out of the car.

Hello!
Try roleplaying as a minor *edited to minor, i meant minor* character and committing a simple traffic infraction — you'll see a different side of things.

It usually depends on certain LEOs. Some officers clearly love a good cop chase, and others love escalating to a shootout.
The ones who love a good evading/shootout opt to use the stepping out method cause a lot of illegal RPers aren't aware of the IFM/LFM changes that prohibit illegal searches but still allow this stepping out method as an alternative to cause players to evade and run.

 

 

 

Why try as a (M) character?
Because they’re typically portrayed as illegal roleplayers who are assumed to be carrying drugs or guns. Knowing this, and taking advantage of the fact that many players aren't fully aware of the recent IFM/LFM rule changes, some LEOs exploit this by baiting players into panicking and running.

Today, I had a run-in with LSSD’s Anthony Collins, where my passenger actually predicted OOC that he'd order me out the vehicle - I asked why. Said player had a previous interaction with him as an (M) with a clean record and no gang affiliations - was ordered out, thought he was being arrested and fleed which ultimately caused him to lose his firearm.
Let's get this straight. The same thing happened to me, and I did not evade. I did not lose shit. I'm not on here crying cause I lost something. I didn't lose anything. I SEE BULLSHIT and I point it out.

Anthony Collins of LSSD tried the same tactic but because I was aware of the recent LFM/IFM changes I KNEW he wasn't going to arrest me and he was in fact CHASE BAITING especially as he was a TRAFFIC UNIT - they typically love pulling people over, giving tickets, and cop chases - they don't find it boring they love it...

 

But do you see what I’m getting at?
Officers like Anthony Collins escalate basic stops unnecessarily, causing clean-record characters to get trapped into high-risk situations over nothing.

I'd like some of you LEO roleplayers to seriously consider this:
If you're so focused on trying to arrest everyone at every opportunity — who will you even have left to police?

Many illegal RPers aren't enjoying this new "step out and bait" method.
Originally, DM rules were reinforced because LEOs were getting gunned down over simple traffic stops — and fair enough, that protection was needed.

But where is our protection now from LEOs abusing the system, baiting clean, non-affiliated characters into unnecessary chases and arrests — all over minor infractions like a seatbelt violation or a fix-it ticket that doesn't requre me to step out to take a look such as a window tint?
Cops whom live in hotter states understand that legal limits don't keep the interior of cars as cooler as illegal tints - so they get that and how the state is STRICT on handing out waivers for these.

Edited May 13 by ToddyTheBear

[Engelbert]

5 minutes ago, ToddyTheBear said:

Hello!
Try roleplaying as a minority character and committing a simple traffic infraction — you'll see a different side of things.

It usually depends on certain LEOs. Some officers clearly love a good cop chase, and others love escalating to a shootout.
The ones who love a good evading/shootout opt to use the stepping out method cause a lot of illegal RPers aren't aware of the IFM/LFM changes that prohibit illegal searches but still allow this stepping out method as an alternative to cause players to evade and run.

 

Oh I can see the reasoning. The minority character. 

[ToddyTheBear]

13 minutes ago, Engelbert said:

Oh I can see the reasoning. The minority character. 

Oh no — I meant a minor character who is a minority, or just an (M) character in general, since they tend to be involved in factions.

Let’s be real:
Most adult characters in RP are what people call "mall rats," and a good chunk of illegal RPers who aged their characters up mainly did it to participate in erotic roleplay, also known as E sex.
Meanwhile, the majority of minor characters aren’t interested in that at all — they're usually focused on actual character development as their faction takes it serious.

Think about it for a second:
When you see a minor character, don’t you almost immediately assume they’re in an illegal faction and involved in illegal RP?
Why else would someone roleplay as a minor unless they were roleplaying a family dynamic — like someone's child? (Which rarely happens, but even then, those characters often still end up carrying guns.)
After all, it’s Grand Theft Auto.
 

I’d also like to point out that most of the time when cops order you out of your vehicle in real life, it’s for one of a few reasons:

A DUI sobriety test,

To point out something about your car (though usually they just tell you through the window),

Or because you’re being placed under arrest.

 

Edited May 13 by ToddyTheBear

[Engelbert]

18 minutes ago, ToddyTheBear said:

Oh no — I meant a minor character who is a minority, or just an (M) character in general, since they tend to be involved in factions.

Let’s be real:
Most adult characters in RP are what people call "mall rats," and a good chunk of illegal RPers who aged their characters up mainly did it to participate in erotic roleplay, also known as E sex.
Meanwhile, the majority of minor characters aren’t interested in that at all — they're usually focused on actual character development as their faction takes it serious.

Think about it for a second:
When you see a minor character, don’t you almost immediately assume they’re in an illegal faction and involved in illegal RP?
Why else would someone roleplay as a minor unless they were roleplaying a family dynamic — like someone's child? (Which rarely happens, but even then, those characters often still end up carrying guns.)
After all, it’s Grand Theft Auto.
 

I’d also like to point out that most of the time when cops order you out of your vehicle in real life, it’s for one of a few reasons:

A DUI sobriety test,

To point out something about your car (though usually they just tell you through the window),

Or because you’re being placed under arrest.

 

Well you just answered your own question. Yes people automatically assume you are in a gang when they see the (M) tag, same goes for LEOs

[imalwayshigh]

Yeah, I’ve had a minor friend who genuinely looked like a regular teenager and she works a 9-5 in game be pulled over after being stalked from point a to point c. I found it strange that they had 4 sheriffs right away pull up on her, all male and persist that her story of her parent or herself forgetting to insure her vehicle didn’t mean anything and proceeded to act aggressive to search her. Had to save her from that weird ish.  It was way before peak server time to the point they barely had LEOs on so I found that unnecessary to do because what if she was armed and they could easily be outnumbered? 

[ToddyTheBear]

4 minutes ago, Engelbert said:

Well you just answered your own question. Yes people automatically assume you are in a gang when they see the (M) tag, same goes for LEOs

When I was younger, driving around with people my own age, I was never ordered out of the car.
So what exactly are you getting at?

Grown men gang bang too, so that point doesn't really hold up.
And honestly, what does ordering me out of the car as a minor even accomplish either way?

[ToddyTheBear]

6 minutes ago, Muerta said:

Yeah, I’ve had a minor friend who genuinely looked like a regular teenager and she works a 9-5 in game be pulled over after being stalked from point a to point c. I found it strange that they had 4 sheriffs right away pull up on her, all male and persist that her story of her parent or herself forgetting to insure her vehicle didn’t mean anything and proceeded to act aggressive to search her. Had to save her from that weird ish.  It was way before peak server time to the point they barely had LEOs on so I found that unnecessary to do because what if she was armed and they could easily be outnumbered? 

Honestly, it just feels like boredom at this point but I don't mind the other units.
If that stops them from pulling over everyone on sight - so be, it tag along to my traffic stop and spare someone going 2 MPH over the speed limit and pulling them over because you're desperate for an interaction. I get it, LEO roleplay is fun and pulling people over is a major part of it, BUT.
I’ve been pulled over countless times in real life, and never had a backup unit called — unless the vehicle was registered to someone with a serious charge, like a gun offense.

I don't mind backup units showing up during traffic stops. What bothers me is being ordered out of the car over something as minor as window tints — clearly trying to bait people into evading.
A lot of players still don’t realize that LEOs can't illegally search them anymore without solid reasoning, thanks to the new LFM/IFM rules.
But many still assume they're about to be searched and panic — exactly what these cops are hoping for.

Edited May 13 by ToddyTheBear

[Engelbert]

6 minutes ago, ToddyTheBear said:

When I was younger, driving around with people my own age, I was never ordered out of the car.
So what exactly are you getting at?

Grown men gang bang too, so that point doesn't really hold up.
And honestly, what does ordering me out of the car as a minor even accomplish either way?

What am I getting at is server continuity. Why do you think most of non-criminal characters are staying indoors or in guarded areas? Why do you think many players steer away from (M) characters? 

Same reason why LEOs will order you to step outside. Consequences. Los Santos isn't realistic city. It is heavily riddled with crime, cause Grand Theft Auto is the core game.

Edited May 13 by Engelbert