Poll Set #1: Deathmatching (LEO); 911 hoax calls; masks in public

[honey.]

This is the first set of polls following this discussion thread: https://forum.gta.world/en/topic/142676-what-are-some-unwritten-rules-that-need-an-official-rulingswrite-ups/.

 

Please note that this is the FIRST set of polls, I plan to open up more with more things from the thread once there is enough to fit into another thread. Please wait for the following polls to discuss things not listed within this thread.

 

• [Rule 4] Deathmatching; the rule currently states that "you may only murder a member of law enforcement when there is an active existing threat to life, or there is indisputable evidence that the stop will lead to life or serious extended imprisonment" and "you shoot a member of law enforcement over a traffic stop because you assume there is a warrant on you".
• 911 Calls; this is an unwritten rule as typically hoax calls for big/serious situations (for example a bomb threat) are intervened by admins to prevent disruption to roleplay. This rule currently DOES NOT EXIST, please select which option you agree would fit best in the server rules.
• Masks in public; this is a very simple one, there is a lot of discussion about over-use of mask and /maskname, the command in-game already tells you that you need a reason to do so, however should this be added to the rules?

 

Please feel free to discuss and expand your answer with potential suggestions/criticisms in the replies, please keep it classy when referring to other players or replying to other players.

[honey.]

   

10 hours ago, oxyhvh said:

Hoax 911 calls

 

  

10 hours ago, Biscuit said:

Deathmatching and escalation is not clear enough DM is the most commonly banned for thing on the server and it's the shortest defined rule , here's an example, from the SD Discord:

 

Admins have banned for this before.

 

Same questions for things like:

is it DM to shoot someone stealing your car or breaking into your house?
what is proper escalation?
when are you actually permitted to shoot a cop?
when is a cop permitted to shoot at you?

 

  

9 hours ago, jromjeksin said:

 

personally i think the rule surrounding shooting cops needs to be reverted

 

if you're in a car with guns on you and there is no way of getting out of it other than to run away, you should be allowed to shoot if they chase you

 

if you get pulled over and immediately shoot before they can even talk to you, then yes it should be considered deathmatching

 

  

6 hours ago, Storm said:

long term LEO rper here, if LEO rpers really push for it I don't think it should be considered DM (within reason). a simple traffic stop is different than what's being described here.

 

  

6 hours ago, Martyn said:

 

Politics, the lack of shorter election cycles make positions feel gatekept and things become stale quick.

 

  

6 hours ago, Red Reika said:

This one, please. We need some ruling about people walking with ski masks all around Vinewood (Hollywood) and entering banks, high security buildings (Luxury apartments) and other places where it makes no sense at all to be wearing a mask. Wearing masks need some sort of rules.

 

  

5 hours ago, pumpinrasa said:

This ^^, we're not RPing UK roadmen here

 

  

5 hours ago, lazarus_ said:

Couldn't agree more. Admins should do something about it and must have some sort of repercussion (IC or OOC) for players wearing a mask in a public area, casually walking around with a full-on balaclava rocking that drip king shiesty ahh.

 

 

[CowboyYoda22]

1.) If it's changed more and more cops are just going to be showing up to any scene because you'll never know if the guy is going to shoot, a few years ago every stop used to turn into a shootout, hence the reason for the giant cop presence at a lot of stops to start with. 

2.) I don't mind prank calls, but mass event ones often cause people to be paged that might not even be ig, so to stop their ooc life to hop on to a fake call is a waste of everyone's time, everything else that is minor should stay.

 

3.) Masks in public should not be illegal, and goes against American values. A store or private property / government property requesting you to take it off is one thing, but walking down the street in a mask isn't illegal. Where I live in the US, it's common to see two or three guys wearing a shiesty outside of a circle k, or around their neck at any point. This is common in the US hood. Just mind your business and act like you have a reason to be in the hood and you'll be perfectly fine.

Edited April 2 by CowboyYoda22

[Kari]

#1 should be entirely re-worded as it is intensely obvious which point the poll is arguing for. 

Either add an equitable length counter-argument; or bring it in line with the other 2 poll options in and of being generally objective. 

This poll doesn't hold a lot of weight when the first question provides a full argument and context to only one argument. 

[Traveler]

I'll only speak about the 1st one. Removing this rule would turn into a DM fest as we have seen in a bunch of forum reports and there was also a topic on the forum about this rule in specific where many people commented against this. CowboyYoda said, every traffic stop is gonna have a bunch of patrol cars just because you never know if someone is going to shoot or not. While I do understand why people are against this rule, the purpose of this rule is to prevent every traffic stop from turning into a shootout.

[Airwalk]

#1 shouldn't be removed entirely, so people don't shoot over every single thing. But it definitely needs to be tweaked.

 

#2 also should stay as is. Too many people call in stupid things like bombs at open businesses etc and that's just dumb. This isn't so much about "wasting law enforcement's time", but more-so about harming the businesses who already have a hard time existing as is. Being shut down or swarmed by cops over a hoax call is gonna get that business killed for the day.

 

#3 should definitely be a rule. Everyone running with masks 24/7 is mega cringe.

Edited April 2 by Airwalk

[nwiomii]

1 minute ago, Traveler said:

I'll only speak about the 1st one. Removing this rule would turn into a DM fest as we have seen in a bunch of forum reports and there was also a topic on the forum about this rule in specific where many people commented against this. CowboyYoda said, every traffic stop is gonna have a bunch of patrol cars just because you never know if someone is going to shoot or not. While I do understand why people are against this rule, the purpose of this rule is to prevent every traffic stop from turning into a shootout.

Or maybe cops will stop pulling over for whatever reason and think twice before they pull over the wrong person? Basically, roleplay fear properly when driving around dangerous areas.

Edited April 2 by nwiomii

[Reality]

I'mma say this, if you allow these dudes/females to go on a killing spree over them speeding/getting a speeding ticket then we will see where this is going to go in terms of the server. Good luck.

[Red Reika]

9 minutes ago, CowboyYoda22 said:

3.) Masks in public should not be illegal, and goes against American values. A store or private property / government property requesting you to take it off is one thing, but walking down the street in a mask isn't illegal. Where I live in the US, it's common to see two or three guys wearing a shiesty outside of a circle k, or around their neck at any point. This is common in the US hood. Just mind your business and act like you have a reason to be in the hood and you'll be perfectly fine.

It's common in the hood or just in their areas, but it does get a little bit strange when you just see people posted up dressed like bank robbers in broad daylight walking around rich, tourist and populated areas of the city such as Vinewood Boulevard or even in front of the bank on Legion Square.

I don't think masks and /maskname should be outright made illegal, but it absolutely need some form of ruling around it. Right now we have people wearing ski masks and balaklavas for literally no reason in areas where they would 100% be questioned or get everyone around them weirded out, but, right now, it's meant to be treated as "normal" to see a group of people cosplaying terrorists to walk up the lobby of a luxury apartment.

[Stevefish]

For #1 - (I forgot how I just voted lol) my main issue is trying to do any traffic stop is going to turn into getting absolutely blasted every time because the person thinks I am going to search them, when I can be doing a simple traffic stop. The only way I can see this work is more severe punishments for dying, or, we overturn the LFM directive and start allowing caution codes to be valid IC reasoning for how we handle the subject.

 

#2 - IDC honestly. Make it a rule or don't....it won't effect me for the majority of the time.

 

#3 - absolutely shouldn't be a rule against this, but at the same time I don't want to see an IFM/LFM directive saying we can't Terry frisks someone who is simply masked either if they're in the area near a crime

Edited April 2 by Stevefish