Unrealistic and BAD Security Systems Create Unrealistic and BAD Roleplay

[BarbieXL]

I understand your point and agree that some aspects like the effect of jammers and the current CCTV mechanics could use some updates to better reflect real life.  
 

That aside, as both legal and illegal Rpers find struggles.. I do find it odd that when applying for PD, you’re required to post screenshots of all your characters’ assets, properties, and other details. These screenshots stay  publicly visible until the topic is hidden for other players.. Even though PD claims this is necessary for transparency, it also creates a situation where players can abuse this information. (Example: If I can do it, other can. I can just go on the PD website and check who applied, see what other characters they have, see they properties and go there to do a /breakin request. When the admin asks you for a reason, usually a 'random house' answer is already enough,  which raises concerns for me)

It’s been mentioned that they won’t remove this due to website limitations, but in my opinion, that’s not a strong enough reason to allow a system that potentially encourages metagaming. Both legal and illegal rpers should have fair opportunities to develop their stories, and I hope management takes feedback like this into account.

[Vash Baldeus]

41 minutes ago, BarbieXL said:

I understand your point and agree that some aspects like the effect of jammers and the current CCTV mechanics could use some updates to better reflect real life.  
 

That aside, as both legal and illegal Rpers find struggles.. I do find it odd that when applying for PD, you’re required to post screenshots of all your characters’ assets, properties, and other details. These screenshots stay  publicly visible until the topic is hidden for other players.. Even though PD claims this is necessary for transparency, it also creates a situation where players can abuse this information. (Example: If I can do it, other can. I can just go on the PD website and check who applied, see what other characters they have, see they properties and go there to do a /breakin request. When the admin asks you for a reason, usually a 'random house' answer is already enough,  which raises concerns for me)

It’s been mentioned that they won’t remove this due to website limitations, but in my opinion, that’s not a strong enough reason to allow a system that potentially encourages metagaming. Both legal and illegal rpers should have fair opportunities to develop their stories, and I hope management takes feedback like this into account.

Site limitation? Why not have it moved to the UCP?

[BarbieXL]

3 minutes ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Site limitation? Why not have it moved to the UCP?

I agree. I got many questions.. which many will never be answered. 

[BarbieXL]

1 hour ago, Parade said:

The answer is always laziness or incompetence.

 

Either they know how to fix the problem and just don't feel like it or they don't know how to fix it.

 

 

I know because that's me.

It is starting to feel like 'they' decide how we have to play the game and roleplay. And in some circumstances I understand that as you want to have it fair and equal, but it is ruining gameplay for many people of the community. There's a lot of cronyism involved, no doubt. Things have to change, but who's gonna tell them. 

[Akio]

8 hours ago, BarbieXL said:

I understand your point and agree that some aspects like the effect of jammers and the current CCTV mechanics could use some updates to better reflect real life.  
 

That aside, as both legal and illegal Rpers find struggles.. I do find it odd that when applying for PD, you’re required to post screenshots of all your characters’ assets, properties, and other details. These screenshots stay  publicly visible until the topic is hidden for other players.. Even though PD claims this is necessary for transparency, it also creates a situation where players can abuse this information. (Example: If I can do it, other can. I can just go on the PD website and check who applied, see what other characters they have, see they properties and go there to do a /breakin request. When the admin asks you for a reason, usually a 'random house' answer is already enough,  which raises concerns for me)

It’s been mentioned that they won’t remove this due to website limitations, but in my opinion, that’s not a strong enough reason to allow a system that potentially encourages metagaming. Both legal and illegal rpers should have fair opportunities to develop their stories, and I hope management takes feedback like this into account.

Not entirely sure where your reasoning behind the breakin request acceptance is solely based on a 'random house' is acceptable. I can tell you that's not the case so let's not start spreading misinformation please. 

 

As for the PD/SD or any legal factions application requiring these screenshots. I think it's not fair to claim that illegal RPers create accounts just to acquire this information just so they can break into these properties that's a very bold claim to make as well especially without supporting evidence. 

Edited March 26 by Akio

[Vash Baldeus]

6 hours ago, BarbieXL said:

It is starting to feel like 'they' decide how we have to play the game and roleplay. And in some circumstances I understand that as you want to have it fair and equal, but it is ruining gameplay for many people of the community. There's a lot of cronyism involved, no doubt. Things have to change, but who's gonna tell them. 

Based on what I've heard from friends, the IFM/LFM/PM definitely decide certain things on how people can RP something, which is sometimes very limiting.

[BarbieXL]

1 hour ago, Akio said:

Not entirely sure where your reasoning behind the breakin request acceptance is solely based on a 'random house' is acceptable. I can tell you that's not the case so let's not start spreading misinformation please. 

 

As for the PD/SD or any legal factions application requiring these screenshots. I think it's not fair to claim that illegal RPers create accounts just to acquire this information just so they can break into these properties that's a very bold claim to make as well especially without supporting evidence. 

I am not spreading any misinformation and could provide proof to management if needed. 

For the second part, you´d be surprised. 

[Anders]

This will not solve the underlying issue which is the sheer amount of meta that goes on both legal and illegal.

 

Illegals? Full on James Bond/Keanu Reeves/Insert Movie Badass(TM) carrying nitrile or leather gloves, knows how to defeat a system with ease, escapes using vehicles that's not registered, is fully tinted, dresses in completely black clothing with a motorbike helmet. It seems *every* criminal does this nowadays. It's the meta. Crime is supposed to be of opportunity, a vast majority don't think when they do crime, they just see the opportunity and go for it. Everyone on GTAW plans it out to the letter and second.

Legals? They see people dressed up as mentioned above, instant knowing they're criminals. They see 4 deep cars? Run away, clearly criminals. Someone approaches them? Criminals. They see an non european name? Criminal. Run to the car, /vp, check camera around all the time whilst driving to the house to make sure you're not being followed, /vp again. Spawn at work/somewhere unrealistic then /fixveh and drive to where you need to go, anyone following you? Criminal.

This server is not going to survive because of the meta that is everywhere. People don't treat it as a heavy rp server which it is supposed to be. They make forum threads, miss the old times and call on the management to do something but nothing will be done because nobody is doing anything to fix this. Change dosn't come only from the top, it comes from the bottom.

[Yamashiro]

12 hours ago, Vash Baldeus said:

Fully agree with ya, the bigger issue, why were Jammers introduced, those are typically military grade and not easily obtainable, or cheaply. Also, most alarms do not work via WIFI/Cellular network but they are wired in, the cellular is a backup just in case most of the time, why would a jammer mess with it?

Jammers are easily obtained. Google - Signal jammers. Here’s some examples. 
 

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/p/6x-car-gps-singal-blocker-anti-tracking-device-charger-obd-gpsbeidou-signal-detector-privacy-protection-meter~p118993258/

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/p/3-antenna-gps-signal-blocker-wifi-camera-finder-no-gps-positioning~p88385672/

 

If you do some research surrounding illegal activities such as car theft, where chop shops have been busted/raided - jammers are commonly found plugged into the mains of the electric blocking all signals. As for the links above, you have stated they’re hard to obtain, they’re very common and easily to buy online. In game? Jammers are rare to find. Everyone wants them but they’re limited per month, to electronic suppliers only which is few.

 

Alarms being hard wired is correct, and the cellular is backup. I agree with you. I’m no expert in alarm systems but from my understanding jammers interfere with sensor signals too. Without a sensor working properly, it can’t send a signal to trigger the alarm. 
 

And finally the lockpick… the lockpick script is the only thing we have IG, but you’re allowed to be creative and obtain the likes of OBD scanners / key programming computers which are easily obtained from Amazon. You can literally buy a computer with software which’ll code keys to vehicles without an issue. These are commonly used by locksmiths, people losing their keys. Personally if I stealing a car IG, smash the window, plug in the OBD and program a key which IRL takes less than a few minutes. You can also get signal boosters which boost the signal from inside properties to the vehicle, and you can clone a key in under a minute. (You have to have the item, to roleplay it. Special request or electronics store if it’s an electronic item.)

 

Carrying out a home invasion, roleplay smash through a patio door, or a weak spot at the property - it’s a roleplay server, do your roleplay then carry out the script. Lockpicking a door for a home invasion? Personally I’d say unrealistic for me, but that’s my opinion. Crowbar or other tools to wedge a door or window open, to gain access inside. It’s a smash and grab. Loud entry, and a fast grab. 
 

Home invasions aren’t easy either. You have 1 minute 30 seconds before the silence alarm triggers and notifies the likes of ProTech, or some security companies. It’s three minutes to notify PD. The home invasion script is good, but tough. Home owners lose nothing apart from getting their privacy invaded. Illegal roleplayers get their 2 minutes of fun, or one hour of fun if they’re arrested / chased by 6+ cruisers. 

 

Theft is a major issue and if thieves want something? No matter how much security you have, they’ll find a way to attempt and steal. A padlock? It only slows a person down.  CCTV? Black paint in an aerosol can, wear a mask. Finger prints? Wear gloves. Vehicle registration? Scout the house out before, check for exterior CCTV. Park somewhere away from the property and make a small track. Remove the plates, fake plates. 
 

Heists within the illegal community are rare. It takes a lot of effort, research to backup your plan on how you’re going to break into the property, steal whatever is inside, your getaway plan - as well as having a well developed character to carry out a high valued robbery, not to mention the numerous hours of roleplay before even carrying out the heist. You also risk a CK while on a heist as well.

 

 

Edited March 26 by Yamashiro

[Vash Baldeus]

8 hours ago, Yamashiro said:

Jammers are easily obtained. Google - Signal jammers. Here’s some examples. 
 

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/p/6x-car-gps-singal-blocker-anti-tracking-device-charger-obd-gpsbeidou-signal-detector-privacy-protection-meter~p118993258/

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/p/3-antenna-gps-signal-blocker-wifi-camera-finder-no-gps-positioning~p88385672/

 

If you do some research surrounding illegal activities such as car theft, where chop shops have been busted/raided - jammers are commonly found plugged into the mains of the electric blocking all signals. As for the links above, you have stated they’re hard to obtain, they’re very common and easily to buy online. In game? Jammers are rare to find. Everyone wants them but they’re limited per month, to electronic suppliers only which is few.

 

Alarms being hard wired is correct, and the cellular is backup. I agree with you. I’m no expert in alarm systems but from my understanding jammers interfere with sensor signals too. Without a sensor working properly, it can’t send a signal to trigger the alarm. 
 

And finally the lockpick… the lockpick script is the only thing we have IG, but you’re allowed to be creative and obtain the likes of OBD scanners / key programming computers which are easily obtained from Amazon. You can literally buy a computer with software which’ll code keys to vehicles without an issue. These are commonly used by locksmiths, people losing their keys. Personally if I stealing a car IG, smash the window, plug in the OBD and program a key which IRL takes less than a few minutes. You can also get signal boosters which boost the signal from inside properties to the vehicle, and you can clone a key in under a minute. (You have to have the item, to roleplay it. Special request or electronics store if it’s an electronic item.)

 

Carrying out a home invasion, roleplay smash through a patio door, or a weak spot at the property - it’s a roleplay server, do your roleplay then carry out the script. Lockpicking a door for a home invasion? Personally I’d say unrealistic for me, but that’s my opinion. Crowbar or other tools to wedge a door or window open, to gain access inside. It’s a smash and grab. Loud entry, and a fast grab. 
 

Home invasions aren’t easy either. You have 1 minute 30 seconds before the silence alarm triggers and notifies the likes of ProTech, or some security companies. It’s three minutes to notify PD. The home invasion script is good, but tough. Home owners lose nothing apart from getting their privacy invaded. Illegal roleplayers get their 2 minutes of fun, or one hour of fun if they’re arrested / chased by 6+ cruisers. 

 

Theft is a major issue and if thieves want something? No matter how much security you have, they’ll find a way to attempt and steal. A padlock? It only slows a person down.  CCTV? Black paint in an aerosol can, wear a mask. Finger prints? Wear gloves. Vehicle registration? Scout the house out before, check for exterior CCTV. Park somewhere away from the property and make a small track. Remove the plates, fake plates. 
 

Heists within the illegal community are rare. It takes a lot of effort, research to backup your plan on how you’re going to break into the property, steal whatever is inside, your getaway plan - as well as having a well developed character to carry out a high valued robbery, not to mention the numerous hours of roleplay before even carrying out the heist. You also risk a CK while on a heist as well.

I agree with most what you said, but in-game the Jammers behave like military grade, not the typical ones you shown. 

 

8 hours ago, Yamashiro said:

Theft is a major issue and if thieves want something? No matter how much security you have, they’ll find a way to attempt and steal. A padlock? It only slows a person down.  CCTV? Black paint in an aerosol can, wear a mask. Finger prints? Wear gloves. Vehicle registration? Scout the house out before, check for exterior CCTV. Park somewhere away from the property and make a small track. Remove the plates, fake plates. 

I’d be far less concerned about the high cost of security systems and anti-theft measures if those same systems weren’t so bare-bones compared to the tools available to thieves in-game. For instance, take the CCTV script: if someone wears a mask but does not use /maskname, their real name shows up instead of something like mask_maskID. In real life, modern alarm systems are far more sophisticated. For example, if a sensor malfunctions or fails to send the correct signal to the mainboard, the system triggers an alarm, prompting human intervention. I’ve seen this firsthand—my neighbor, a dentist, converted the apartment below mine into a fully operational office. He had faulty sensors that kept setting off the alarm until he had them replaced, and his security firm even came to check the property for potential break-ins.