Undoing the "Good Cause" Clause

[Rekhoem]

Quite simply, it's european and anticonstitutional. Of course, a european mindset is something applied to other aspects of our America-RP here, but this Good Cause Clause is something that has been deemed illegal several times IRL. One may now say to "take it up with FLD", but it's an OOC-Restriction set into place by Server Management to balance something out. Factually, however, it makes the obtainance of a CCW-License arbitrary and needlessly hard in a manner unbefitting of a U.S. State upholding the U.S. Constitution, likely leading to the majority of armed characters conceal carrying anyways and just taking the risk of becoming a criminal. Really, though, it is their right.

Surprisingly enough, despite being discussed in general discussions and other places numerous times, this hasn't been suggested before, apparently.

Spoiler

Here some court cases!

Supreme Court

 

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen (2022)

 -The Supreme Court struck down New York’s "may-issue" concealed carry law, which required applicants to show "proper cause" to obtain a permit.

 -The Court ruled that such requirements violate the Second Amendment, affirming that law-abiding citizens have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense.

District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

 -The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess firearms unconnected to service in a militia.

 -While not directly about concealed carry, this case laid the foundation for later rulings against restrictive gun laws.

McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010)

 -The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment.

 -This decision extended Heller’s ruling nationwide.

Circuit Court

Peruta v. County of San Diego (9th Cir. 2014, en banc reversed 2016)

 -A panel of the Ninth Circuit originally struck down California’s "good cause" requirement for concealed carry permits, but an en banc decision later upheld the law.

 -After the 2022 Bruen case however, California’s may-issue system was invalidated.

Wrenn v. District of Columbia (D.C. Cir. 2017)

 -The D.C. Circuit struck down Washington, D.C.’s "good reason" requirement for concealed carry, ruling that it violated the Second Amendment.

Moore v. Madigan (7th Cir. 2012)

 -The Seventh Circuit overturned Illinois’ total ban on carrying firearms in public, forcing the state to adopt a shall-issue permit system.

[FatCatTuxedo]

Never gonna happen, gatekeeping is a theme here sir.

[Jeroen]

Good Cause is not an issue that you take to FLD to discuss, this an OOC policy enacted by server management.

 

NYSRPA v. Bruen is voided by LFM, along with several other cases for 'balancing', which are here to make some people's lives easier.

 

[Wolfess]

On 1/29/2025 at 6:16 AM, Rekhoem said:

Quite simply, it's european and anticonstitutional. Of course, a european mindset is something applied to other aspects of our America-RP here, but this Good Cause Clause is something that has been deemed illegal several times IRL. One may now say to "take it up with FLD", but it's an OOC-Restriction set into place by Server Management to balance something out. Factually, however, it makes the obtainance of a CCW-License arbitrary and needlessly hard in a manner unbefitting of a U.S. State upholding the U.S. Constitution, likely leading to the majority of armed characters conceal carrying anyways and just taking the risk of becoming a criminal. Really, though, it is their right.

ICly, attempt was made but crushed by LFM.

+1 Regardlessly knowing already this won't change despite the fact you require this license for both businesses and job roles on the server, muting the whole argument it's not job-related license. It is.

[Zenko]

+1, eliminate this condition as majority of the crimes are committed by illegal firearms instead of legal ones as most people can't protect themselves because they can't carry their protection.

[Red Reika]

+1

[topopps]

+1 Let me carry my big iron god damnit, tired of making up some bullshit good clause that is just lies

[Jeroen]

11 hours ago, Wolfess said:

ICly, attempt was made but crushed by LFM.

+1 Regardlessly knowing already this won't change despite the fact you require this license for both businesses and job roles on the server, muting the whole argument it's not job-related license. It is.

If a job position requires you to obtain a CCW, then whoever made that job position is wrong.

You do not need a CCW to perform your job, the CCW is not a professional license.

[Wolfess]

2 hours ago, Jeroen said:

If a job position requires you to obtain a CCW, then whoever made that job position is wrong.

You do not need a CCW to perform your job, the CCW is not a professional license.

Please, for the love of God, spent time outside the box. CCW is required for high end security, some management positions and oddly, once, garage company last year. (Always found that one the most strange?).

It's also required for being in the owner position of a gunstore. Making this a job requirement alone. - For a gunstore. You require both PF/CCW according to PM. You can sod off and argue your case with them. I'm tired saying this repeatedly.

 

[SKYLINE]

It's part of the reason I essentially annexed my character's - Shelby Mitchell's - beliefs on firearms.

 

To her, owning a firearm was as normal and 'the done thing' as owning a car. You just did. She herself owned a handgun and a shotgun, as did her twin. 

 

But between;

• CCW license quite frankly being harder to get than higher level faction positions I've seen on other servers.
• CCW license's test being written terribly, no offense to whoever wrote it.
• The mere presence of PF/CCW at all feeling almost awkwardly unnatural for a US government, especially in the context it exists.
• And finally (and most importantly) 99% of applicable situations where we'd have even used them were likely to turn into OOC headaches.

It just became far too much of a potential headache to bother; so in an extremely awkward and beyond forced moment of character rewiring, the twins surrended their firearms and we've annexed their beliefs on it entirely.

 

For a moment, I considered taking it all IC; I even had fleeting plans for Shelby to organize some sort of borderline anti-state organization dedicated to the sole pursuit of changing the gun laws.. until I was given the OOC brick-wall-slam of being told that won't happen.

 

I understand gun balancing is an issue. I know it all too well. But there's a lot of ways to handle that and this, sadly, is the most restrictive.