let us protect our property

[travie!]

2 hours ago, Red Reika said:

Are we already ready for the conversation about how the rules are not made with realism in mind, but to perpetuate the civilian role as victims for the sole purpose of providing LEO and illegal roleplay situations?

Do you literally think the server is out to get civilians? Do we play the same server? You seriously cannot be that narrow-minded that you believe all rules are to perpetuate the civilian as a victim to LEO or Illegal rpers. That's complete tomfoolery. The server, if not anything, protects the civilian player base. The majority of civilians barely roleplay. They farm hours, post on facebrowser, and esex. Civilians being targeted has nothing to do with LEO's or illegal rpers. This is the absolute worst take I've read thus far. You understand rules have been put in place to solely protect the civilian player base, right? You cannot be playing the same server if you truly believe this. If you are constantly a victim, maybe you should apply for your gun licenses or do something different. Please tell me in detail how the server is completely made to give civilians the shit end of the stick. If cops keep bothering you, stop doing illegal shit and they won't bother you. If you keep getting messed with by illegal rpers stop putting yourself in situations where you are around them and make yourself vulnerable. You can't expect people to not roleplay because you don't like how you are being treated.

Robbery rule was literally reworked so players could no longer rob out of cars. Because of the civilian player base complaining. If you live outside the city, illegal rpers cannot travel outside of LS with the sole intent of committing a crime such as robbery or hitting houses.

 

Your original sentiment is purely your own personal anecdotal. With your logic, the server should roleplay around you and what YOU do. Not the other way around. But that's not how roleplay works.

[Red Reika]

Just now, Celly_AD said:

I got hold on gunpoint when attempting to break into a car once. 
I had to RP fear and put my hands up.

I think this is still possible but simply shoot, I don't agree with.
 

 

Who held you ar gun point, an off duty cop or another illegal?

 

Because a civilian doing that will be reported for no fear rp. And I'm not making this up, it happens on the daily.

[demia]

4 minutes ago, Celly_AD said:

You're not defending ''yourself'' when shooting someone trying to break into your car.

 

yeah i meant defend your property, not yourself. either way that's not the point i was making, the point is that you're not just randomly shooting somebody for jokes, there's a reason behind the shooting. what's the reason for killing someone after you've already finished robbing them? there is no good reason, and while that's obviously something that happens in real life, it's not something people should have to deal with on a roleplaying server.

 

7 minutes ago, Celly_AD said:

What I try to say is, robbers are also limited in actions. With this suggestion, me, a car thief, has to be scared to get shot but in return If the car owner appears out of all sudden like ''Hey what u doing'' I am not allowed to shoot but instead have to wait till the owner pulls out a gun so I have a reason to shoot first.I also cant run off in that moment as I still can get shot.

 

i'm not going to get into a long discussion about this part b/c i can see it going down the wrong path, but i will just say that civilian roleplayers have to follow these rules too. this is not something unique to characters who mug/rob. everybody has to roleplay fear. 

 

[travie!]

Just now, Red Reika said:

 

Who held you ar gun point, an off duty cop or another illegal?

 

Because a civilian doing that will be reported for no fear rp. And I'm not making this up, it happens on the daily.

Doesn't matter who pointed the gun, he roleplayed fear. Also, civilians getting reported for no fear is because they literally are not fearing for their life. And the majority of civs who act like this, are actually not roleplaying fear. So honestly it sounds like the call is coming from inside the house. 

[Celly_AD]

2 minutes ago, Red Reika said:

 

Who held you ar gun point, an off duty cop or another illegal?

 

Because a civilian doing that will be reported for no fear rp. And I'm not making this up, it happens on the daily.

I was lockpicking a car and then the owner and her friends appears, 1 gun drawn.
I dont see no failing to RP fear as I wasnt armed and threatening them but they like suprised me.

[Drug Dragan]

Will be honest, didn't read whole thread beside main post. But will say this: Server has huge issue with many things around Fear RP in general. Security for example, You can't pull out firearm unless someone started firing at you or someone around you while PD has ,,ability" To pull out firearm to prevent further escalation. Problem with security? - Fear RP, It's pretty much game of who will pull out gun first and other side is forced to roleplay Fear, and as i stated before, guard is not allowed to unholster his firearm unless pointed at him or in immediate danger. Core issue in general are actually server rules and regulations.

[Red Reika]

1 minute ago, Celly_AD said:

I was lockpicking a car and then the owner and her friends appears, 1 gun drawn.
I dont see no failing to RP fear as I wasnt armed and threatening them but they like suprised me.

Then you did the right thing by roleplaying, which is very nice to see, but unfortunately that isn't what happens on the day to day situation. When this happens, the robber will instantly report and/or go on B and the situation will end up being voided. I'm not saying you're wrong for doing the right thing, it's commendable, but unfortunately the no fear RP rule for civilians work straight up that way.

[Celly_AD]

Just now, Red Reika said:

Then you did the right thing by roleplaying, which is very nice to see, but unfortunately that isn't what happens on the day to day situation. When this happens, the robber will instantly report and/or go on B and the situation will end up being voided. I'm not saying you're wrong for doing the right thing, it's commendable, but unfortunately the no fear RP rule for civilians work straight up that way.

I didnt know it was so strict actually ^^ Many rules comes with many problems. 

[Heartless.]

to be honest as a REAL™ american, I can honestly say most people who have a gun are probably going to pull it on someone robbing their car and in extreme cases, they're pulling the trigger. we have a very whacky gun culture here, and quite frankly, American society isn't just violent at points, but actively pro-violence against people we've deemed 'worthy' of it.

 

I think a lot of times realistic American culture is tossed aside in favor of gameplay, or overall European-ness seeping into the server. I have a family member who had several court orders against him that ended up getting a gun anyway and commit a felony with it. I feel like in GTAW, there's a good chance this wouldn't have happened and he wouldn't have gotten any sort of license. but in real life, he had a perfectly legal pistol. as it stands the guns in GTAW are already fairly more restricted than the real world of America.

[Aetherion]

6 hours ago, Martyn said:

At this rate and with taking some administrator replies into account, I will now login playing this song every single day to pay tribute to our overlords who enforce unrealistic rules onto civilians:

 

 

Uh, the server is run by euros