let us protect our property

[BOW]

29 minutes ago, Glocknine said:

 

Contradicted yourself gentleman in the video clearly states @ 00:56 "If this was night you would have been shot" as stated above this is just a civilian defending his property. I also asked for a personal experience. I'm sure this isn't you and it isn't pleading your case. 

[Martyn]

At this rate and with taking some administrator replies into account, I will now login playing this song every single day to pay tribute to our overlords who enforce unrealistic rules onto civilians:

 

 

[Red Reika]

Are we already ready for the conversation about how the rules are not made with realism in mind, but to perpetuate the civilian role as victims for the sole purpose of providing LEO and illegal roleplay situations?

[Celly_AD]

Then it should be allowed for robbers to shoot their victims too for less reason as it happens IRL.

[DasFroggy]

1 hour ago, Celly_AD said:

Then it should be allowed for robbers to shoot their victims too for less reason as it happens IRL.

 

Yeah, sure, I can get behind criminals and civs having equal allowances to shoot one-another for "less reason". 

 

Let's make it happen.

[Celly_AD]

29 minutes ago, DasFroggy said:

 

Yeah, sure, I can get behind criminals and civs having equal allowances to shoot one-another for "less reason". 

 

Let's make it happen.

It was just my reaction over comparing stuff IRL and talking about ''take it IC''

Of course I wouldn't want it.

It's suggested to take it IC when shooting a thief for trying to steal their car. I say: Robbers should then be allowed to shoot their victims afterwards (cause that also happens in real life) ^^
 

[demia]

6 minutes ago, Celly_AD said:

It was just my reaction over comparing stuff IRL and talking about ''take it IC''

Of course I wouldn't want it.

It's suggested to take it IC when shooting a thief for trying to steal their car. I say: Robbers should then be allowed to shoot their victims afterwards (cause that also happens in real life) ^^
 

 

shooting someone for stealing your car is a defensive action, they're doing something to you and you're defending yourself. shooting someone after you've finished robbing them isn't, you're not protecting yourself, you're just randomly killing your victim after you got what you wanted for fun. while it's true that the latter happens in real life all the time, there's a lot of things that happen in real life that we don't let happen on the game. this would just be DM.

 

there's logic and reason behind possibly letting people defend their property, but the "let robbers kill their victims afterwards" idea seems to just be rooted in some kind of desire for revenge over the original suggestion rather than a genuine suggestion that'll make the game better lol

[Celly_AD]

1 minute ago, demia said:

 

shooting someone for stealing your car is a defensive action, they're doing something to you and you're defending yourself. shooting someone after you've finished robbing them isn't, you're not protecting yourself, you're just randomly killing your victim after you got what you wanted for fun. while it's true that the latter happens in real life all the time, there's a lot of things that happen in real life that we don't let happen on the game. this would just be DM.

 

there's logic and reason behind possibly letting people defend their property, but the "let robbers kill their victims afterwards" idea seems to just be rooted in some kind of desire for revenge over the original suggestion rather than a genuine suggestion that'll make the game better lol

You're not defending ''yourself'' when shooting someone trying to break into your car.

What I try to say is, robbers are also limited in actions. With this suggestion, me, a car thief, has to be scared to get shot but in return If the car owner appears out of all sudden like ''Hey what u doing'' I am not allowed to shoot but instead have to wait till the owner pulls out a gun so I have a reason to shoot first.I also cant run off in that moment as I still can get shot.


That's the issue here.
 

[Red Reika]

2 minutes ago, Celly_AD said:

You're not defending ''yourself'' when shooting someone trying to break into your car.

What I try to say is, robbers are also limited in actions. With this suggestion, me, a car thief, has to be scared to get shot but in return If the car owner appears out of all sudden like ''Hey what u doing'' I am not allowed to shoot but instead have to wait till the owner pulls out a gun so I have a reason to shoot first.I also cant run off in that moment as I still can get shot.


That's the issue here.
 

The issue is that when a civilian is a victim of a crime or is witnessing a crime, they can't do anything about it, as per server rules.

 

The only situation where a robber will "fail" the robbery is if for some strike of luck a cop drives past them as its happening, otherwise it's a 100% guarantee of success.

[Celly_AD]

1 minute ago, Red Reika said:

The issue is that when a civilian is a victim of a crime or is witnessing a crime, they can't do anything about it, as per server rules.

 

The only situation where a robber will "fail" the robbery is if for some strike of luck a cop drives past them as its happening, otherwise it's a 100% guarantee of success.

I got hold on gunpoint when attempting to break into a car once. 
I had to RP fear and put my hands up.

I think this is still possible but simply shoot, I don't agree with.