Any web developers here?

[senofted]

im summoning all the devs in this community. React, Angular, only html and css, whatever. What are you working on? What do you think of the current state of webdev etc

[Parade]

I can't find a job

[senofted]

9 hours ago, Parade said:

I can't find a job

Do you have a portfolio?

[imu_pertrauka]

Are you hiring?

[EzYDeeZy]

I work as a Java Developer at the moment but I'm slowly going through the full stack path. I only know the basic of HTML/CSS but soon to be learning more about JS/Angular. If anyone already good at this...

[social outcast]

19 hours ago, EzYDeeZy said:

I work as a Java Developer at the moment but I'm slowly going through the full stack path. I only know the basic of HTML/CSS but soon to be learning more about JS/Angular. If anyone already good at this...

fullstack is the worst path you can choose now, specially if you only know markup and styling and then learning javascript. You don't go straight to a framework or go straight to the fullstack. i have a question, are you in a bootcamp? did they tell you to do fullstack and start angular as soon as you learn js?

[EzYDeeZy]

On 10/12/2024 at 7:44 AM, social outcast said:

fullstack is the worst path you can choose now, specially if you only know markup and styling and then learning javascript. You don't go straight to a framework or go straight to the fullstack. i have a question, are you in a bootcamp? did they tell you to do fullstack and start angular as soon as you learn js?

Honestly I never wanted to become a fullstack. I've always worked as a Java developer, for around 3-4 years now. But I recently got a new job and they have some applications built in Angular. And the legacy code, which is an old ass shit from 2001 and mix some frameworks like Struts, JSP along with Javascript behind the pages. I just can't say something like "Hey, so, I don't know how to work with this. or I wont do this because I don't work with it".

In the end, I'm trying to learn enough to maintain and add something if necessary but it's not my focus. I haven't started a single course yet since I'm focusing on a more DevOps/Cloud oriented approach as of now but it's in my plans to learn some Angular, yeah.

[vano]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:44 PM, social outcast said:

fullstack is the worst path you can choose now, specially if you only know markup and styling and then learning javascript. You don't go straight to a framework or go straight to the fullstack. i have a question, are you in a bootcamp? did they tell you to do fullstack and start angular as soon as you learn js?

full-stack is pretty much the best thing you can do nowadays. full-stack doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be working on both the client and the server, if you're full-stack, you're most likely going to be doing back-end development with a bit of devops here and there which are the basics and something everyone should know. The reason why full-stack makes you a good candidate is that you know what's going on the front-end and if anything, your integrations will make sense and you won't be needing the front-end team explaining you how garbage the javascript ecosystem is lol. 

 

but everything aside, i'd say web development area is full of unprofessional people nowadays, especially those that just switched careers and claim that they now want to become full time swe's. don't get me wrong, im not hating, but there's more to software development than learning a javascript framework lol. you see people building basic markups and claim that they know enough to get a job nowadays, then complain why nobody wants them. 

 

everybody wants everything too fast without working enough, that's why majority also (excluding people who genuinely love front-end development, design and creating user interactive UIs) don't touch the server side development , because once you touch that field, you pretty much understand how complicated building the application architecture is and how mandatory it is to write right code and not just code.

 

there's also been a trend that not only web dev, but SWE in general will die which is also a lie. If you genuinely understand how complicated building an application is, you pretty much understand that until an AGI is developed and advanced, no developer is prone to AI lol, it's just a tool you can use, take the Copilot integration for Azure, it's great tool for you to navigate, manage and deploy your app on the cloud when you have complications and lack a bit of knowledge here and there.

 

tl;dr so yeah, my advice would be to not become the average javascript joe who uses hundreds of dependencies and is stuck in an endless loop, instead explore, learn technologies that are acknowledged by the industry, make your foundation strong, be competent in what you do and you'll find a job.  understand how things work at a core, because the basics and the core knowledge are mandatory, without them you won't go too far.

 

[Parade]

lol i forgot i posted "I can't find a job" here

[social outcast]

On 11/3/2024 at 4:20 PM, vano said:

but everything aside, i'd say web development area is full of unprofessional people nowadays, especially those that just switched careers and claim that they now want to become full time swe's. don't get me wrong, im not hating, but there's more to software development than learning a javascript framework lol. you see people building basic markups and claim that they know enough to get a job nowadays, then complain why nobody wants them. 

I know what you mean and I agree 100%. Bootcamps made it look easy to get a position in big companies (and its not always good anyway), made it look easy to get gazillions of dollars per year with this job. It's the opposite lol. In my country these bootcamps push people to make a loan to pay for the camp (€5k more or less), because "we will find you a job and you will be able to pay it back". Yeah,  got my friend with this debt and can't pay it because he doesn't understand shit of this job, that's insane. I've told them that this job is not memoizing (ehehe get it?????) what they told you in the bootcamp and you're ready. you aren't even the 1%. You need to be curious, you gotta check stuff out, be curious will help a lot, and also having patience. You need to spend lots of time working for free on your own project and learn new things, or better if you have friends who work in this field and want to help you, that'd be awesome. This job is a constant learning, you're never done. my friend's brain just cant understand it, and i'm sorry for him but i can't do anything. Gotta find a new job.

I have a few stories that I don't want to say for privacy but the level of these bootcamps are insanely bad, and the people who come out of these are literally the same, copied and pasted even their linkedin. I've heard that they say to put "lots of stuff" in the things you know, because "i mean we did a landing page, then we did this todo app, you used this and that, you're experienced". Horror stories for real, these bootcamps are borderline scams.

 

 

On 11/3/2024 at 4:23 PM, Parade said:

lol i forgot i posted "I can't find a job" here

do you have a portfolio? (i dont want to hire you but im curious)
 

Edited November 5, 2024 by social outcast