GTO Online Driver / Realistic Driving Ruling

[Jokigo]

Hello!

 

Thought I would bring this up for discussion about GTAO Driving and Realistic Driving as a whole. We all see it day to day please speeding around the city, off-road, through areas in the game at 100+ MPH. While I get speeding a little ((It is a game after all)) I think most if not all sense of proper driving in a realistic style form has completely gone out the window in this Server. Driving around in a car smashing up curbs and going off-road, drifting around bends like Fast and Furious, and blowing through intersections with zero care or anything, in cars which would cause major damage to your car is an issue I see often. While I'm not saying we need to be 100% realistic in our driving as being the map size and how the game functions that would get old and boring REALLY quickly but I think some sort of rule definition of what's expected when driving I think would be a good shout. 

 

Driving your car in a way that completely disregards its price, the price of repairs, and how damages would actually occur is silly, when running from the Police or something I can see there will need to be a little more leeway as you are running to save going to jail but just going around the city I feel driving like you're in Need for Speed with no care crashing in to ever light post and drifting every corner like your a major skilled driver at over 100MPH 24/7 365 days of the year makes zero sense.

 

I think a good view on this is say you are a drug dealer, a car full of weed or other drugs and you driving like an ass... you're drawing attention to yourself and risking your car, drugs, and more, right?

 

I just wanted to bring this up to see other people's opinions and input on the current driving in the server and if we need or should have a little more defined rules about pushing a little more of a realistic driving aspect but not going OTT with it that its boring as hell to drive. A little more definition of what we would class as GTAO Driving and Unrealistic Driving.

Edited June 2 by Jokigo

[Swagg]

In all honesty, this is a good point and the presence of people using their cars as gokarts around the streets has been a thing for ages. Making some adjustments to the rules based on how people should be portraying driving would be a good concept, and probably improve the general quality of traffic roleplay; As what is being done now is pretty much people just trying to get to their destination as fast as possible, however the only way that is currently available  to decrease the conduct of driving recklessly, is the Law Enforcement Agencies that patrol the streets. Forcing stricter laws against driving infractions and misdemeanors would be a good step to hopefully deter these kind of actions, and be a relevant thought that when people decide to drive recklessly as in common manner, they will face the great consequence. 

[afterparty]

This feels like an IC issue: OOCly policing traffic is a bandaid solution to what should result in jail time and obnoxiously high fines. Two recent implementations (vehicle HP damage and the vehicular crash rule) have arisen as a result of GTA:O driving, and they should suffice. In the future, a more sophisticated vehicle damage system should be considered to add more depth to mechanic RP and more consequences for reckless driving.

[Kari]

21 minutes ago, afterparty said:

This feels like an IC issue: OOCly policing traffic is a bandaid solution to what should result in jail time and obnoxiously high fines. Two recent implementations (vehicle HP damage and the vehicular crash rule) have arisen as a result of GTA:O driving, and they should suffice. In the future, a more sophisticated vehicle damage system should be considered to add more depth to mechanic RP and more consequences for reckless driving.

Fines upgrade to suspensions, continuing to drive gets you charged with driving on a suspended/revoked (a misdemeanour) which can be bailed out of. 
Reckless driving can be bailed out of. 

These rules & their IC enforcement are meaningless in an economy with simply so much money. 

Naturally, it'd be nice if it was an IC issue, but the IC enforement isn't particularly fun, to spend time writing these tickets / arrest reports just for the person to be able to pay (again) and exit any consequences. More laws would be nice, however. Plenty of driving laws that could still be made & then enforced. 

Edited June 3 by Kari

[afterparty]

5 minutes ago, Kari said:

Fines upgrade to suspensions, continuing to drive gets you charged with driving on a suspended/revoked (a misdemeanour) which can be bailed out of. 
Reckless driving can be bailed out of. 

These rules & their IC enforcement are meaningless in an economy with simply so much money. 

Naturally, it'd be nice if it was an IC issue, but the IC enforement isn't particularly fun, to spend time writing these tickets / arrest reports just for the person to be able to pay (again) and exit any consequences. More laws would be nice, however. Plenty of driving laws that could still be made & then enforced. 

 

A person should be able to challenge any legal decision in court: if it results in a dismissal of charges, it's still an arduous process that requires the aid of a lawyer. Bail and its associated conditions can lead to genuine jail time and additional fines (IIRC, you're committed to paying 100% of the bail amount, should you violate your terms). This isn't to say that reckless driving isn't problematic, but IC strategies should be employed to combat this issue rather than the GTAW default of relying on OOC intervention and overhead.

 

Often, I see patrol cars aimlessly cruising through high-crime areas fishing for RP interactions; assembling available responders and establishing more DUI checkpoints is one of many solutions. Mind you, the goal shouldn't be to 'stop', but rather to dissuade.

[Nerissa]

I don't think it's an IC issue anymore, since cops simply haven't been enforcing those traffic laws in a while, now. If you compare it to last year, it's just something that's been degrading for a long time and I do think that changes need to be made to resolve or at least make it better in the long run.

[hangonda]

imo just start enforcing CKs as a consequence for crashes that happen due to unrealistic driving. maybe add an extra forum section specifically for car crash reports to avoid forum report clutter (optional)

 

doing 120 in a metropolitan area is a lack of fear rp whichever way you look at it from. if someone crashes as a result of it, someone else records it and they post a forum report - all the admin has to do is contact the reported party to see if they have any recording that can prove the crash was a result of desync. if it was, the report is dismissed. if it wasn't a result of desync, the reported party either has to log ingame and rp his injuries and the aftermath of the crash or, if they refuse, are just CKed as a result of reckless driving. 

 

this doesn't immediately solve the problem, but it'll make people think twice about it. 

[Xgin]

I recently was involved in a MC funeral ride and I was the lucky one to get side swiped to the moon by a guy going top speed and not stopping at any intersection. The guy was hitting a lot of bikes before he hit me and just yelling out /b desync just to avoid the roleplay. He hit me and of course the ride stopped and he got surrounded, but he also was about to pull a gun in front of like 40-60+ bikers. It's something about lacking fear of your own life + other lives along with just unrealistic roleplay and behavior. Those people shouldn't be allowed on the server, or just served more severe punishment. 

[PeopleKind]

If people actually started reporting people that treat the server like a stunt server, they'd be handled accordingly. Can't see their ID or Nametag to report them? /dl & boom, you have the VID & all the info the admin would need to figure out who was driving the vehicle at that exact time. Problem solved. Admins aren't going to punish people when people aren't reporting them. 

 

14 minutes ago, Nerissa said:

I don't think it's an IC issue anymore, since cops simply haven't been enforcing those traffic laws in a while, now. If you compare it to last year, it's just something that's been degrading for a long time and I do think that changes need to be made to resolve or at least make it better in the long run.

 

Cops ignore it because it's just not worth the headache. 80% of the time it's just another copy paste Fast & Furious fanboy who's only knowledge about cars comes from Need For Speed & Fast & Furious. 

 

Ontop of that? A lot of these "Street Racing Crews" copbait, then proceed to spam over their /r channels for backup & their friends come play demolition derby with the police in $500,000 cars to help their friend escape.

 

It's tiring, annoying, & provides absolutely nothing to the server. I don't blame the cops for ignoring them.

Edited June 3 by PeopleKind

[Nerissa]

1 minute ago, PeopleKind said:

If people actually started reporting people that treat the server like a stunt server, they'd be handled accordingly. Can't see their ID or Nametag to report them? /dl & boom, you have the VID & all the info the admin would need to figure out who was driving the vehicle at that exact time. Problem solved. Admins aren't going to punish people when people aren't reporting them. 

 

 

Cops ignore it because it's just not worth the headache. 80% of the time it's just another copy paste Fast & Furious fanboy who's only knowledge about cars comes from Need For Speed & Fast & Furious. 

 

Ontop of that? A lot of these "Street Racing Crews" copbait, then proceed to spam over their /r channels for backup & their friends come play demolition derby with the police to help their friend escape.

 

It's tiring, annoying, & provides absolutely nothing to the server. I don't blame the cops for ignoring them.

I don't disagree with it, this is why I think it's no longer an IC issue and it's purely an OOC issue at this point. It's out of control and LEO RP can't remedy it, changes need to be made with the rules, otherwise it's just going to get worse and I don't think that's good