discussion San Andreas Highway Patrol

[DLimit]

5 hours ago, mj2002 said:

How do you propose this is going to work? If you want to put a realistic spin on this concept, you're going to need something to enforce. Are we going to have every character file their taxes? That might be a bit extreme of an argument, but either way you're going to need to be able to determine that an action is a financial crime. How can you make this practical? I'm curious how people are imagining this.

Detect a suspicious deposit of income into one's account? Investigate it. Dedicate time investigating businesses for laundering, as-well, based on suspicious transactions. If a coffee shop is making 100k an opening, then surely it'd be investigated. If a coffee shop employee is depositing 60k into his account, then surely, it's worth investigating that person. An unemployed person is making 51k deposits? Investigate it.

Could be very reasonable to trigger an alert for those making transactions above $40,000, but could also permit them to simply view all transactions (except for hourly checks), if they wish. You see a 41k deposit? If it's a business owner? No reason to really investigate. Regular employee? Investigate-worthy.

I could envision them simply observing bank transactions and "employment records" (viewing where they are /bjoin and /brecruit to) to determine whether investigations are needed

Edited May 19 by DLimit

[PeopleKind]

I love the idea of SAHP but we should fix what we already have before adding anything else. Really don't think the server is in a position where SAHP would work to it's fullest potential.

[Mahiko]

45 minutes ago, DLimit said:

Detect a suspicious deposit of income into one's account? Investigate it. Dedicate time investigating businesses for laundering, as-well, based on suspicious transactions. If a coffee shop is making 100k an opening, then surely it'd be investigated. If a coffee shop employee is depositing 60k into his account, then surely, it's worth investigating that person. An unemployed person is making 51k deposits? Investigate it.

Could be very reasonable to trigger an alert for those making transactions above $40,000, but could also permit them to simply view all transactions (except for hourly checks), if they wish. You see a 41k deposit? If it's a business owner? No reason to really investigate. Regular employee? Investigate-worthy.

I could envision them simply observing bank transactions and "employment records" (viewing where they are /bjoin and /brecruit to) to determine whether investigations are needed

Been there and tried that, had a huge financial case while I was in PD DB. The server does not have the capacity to accommodate it, the whole financial script update we've had has been used for absolutely nothing. The criminals will actively sell large amounts of illegal contraband and then deposit the cash with no repercussions. 

 

At the same time, I don't think we have anyone I'd trust to be a federal judge and prosecutor, a state-level IRS is going to be ass.

[TheLucky]

Just expand State Parks to be able to patrol all interstates?

 

Edited May 21 by Keegan

[Soyuz]

An FBI faction doesn't really need an entire federal system being established for it to function. Have FBI enforce state law, and/or create a federal Title 18 for them to enforce. Their cases can be prosecuted in state court. We already do federal lawsuits in oue state courts. No need for federal court. No need for federal prison. SADCR will do fine. Functionally, there's no difference.

So I don't agree with that argument against FBI. Whether FBI is needed is an entirely different argument, though. Personally, I think SAHP is needed. FBI—debatable. 

[Anders]

Too many factions, not enough logic behind it.

[Bospy]

A long time ago I was against the existence of the SAHP, but when your server is peaking at 900 players consistently I don't think it would be too ridiculous of a concept to add a high-way centric faction. I'd say limit the faction size to 40-50 people at most and have them roleplay a Troop, centered primarily around policing traffic and clamping down on street racing and specialized in car accidents. It's not going to harm anyone to create a faction of that size and it increases immersion and allows other faction's resources to not have to focus on cleaning up car wrecks.

 

I have always been an advocate of creating a statewide investigation faction. I don't believe you need the FBI in that role because the state of California already has CBI. Portraying the various nuances of the federal system would make things complicated with the Courts, as you can't sue an FBI agent in state court. Very little attention has been paid to nuanced investigative roleplay, at least when I was around, and there was very little information sharing between established legal factions. I think if you made a centralized SABI organization run with competent leadership you could have very interesting avenues of roleplay - data analytics, a fusion center, OSINT usage on the social media platforms, focus on buy-busts, undercover work and building informant networks, and serving as a bridge so that all investigative data can be centralized. I think it would work well with a RICO system in place to dismantle problematic criminal organizations that act recklessly or aren't hiding their crimes. Organized crime didn't have a lot of obstacles when I played the server and was often ignored when organized crime resulted in some of the biggest shootouts.

[radreaper100]

with SASP being merged into parks bureau, does that mean SAHP still gonezo?

[jcat]

An ingame version of the IRS is the last shit we need.  I doubt anyone wants to do tax returns for their characters or put up with tax audits on their businesses.  That's what the IRS is for.  This is one of those pieces of realism that needs to stay in reality, like car insurance and STDs.

 

Oh, but its just for rp.  Financial investigations are a bad idea.  They're long term detail oriented investigations that involve a lot of researching through records, and even if a character has income that investigators deem to be unexplainable, then what?  It's up to the investigators to prove he got it illegally.  That means another long term investigation with surveillance.  Very long, very boring.  I find it hard to believe anyone would rp it consistently, or at all.  

[jcat]

Anyway, LSHP.

 

Nah.

 

It's too late.  It should've been planned for when the server was starting up.  State Police / Highway Patrol for the State of San Andreas, Sheriff's Department for the County of San Andreas, and then LSPD as the Police Department of Los Santos.  If it's just for aesthetics, make it a subdivision of the Sheriff's Department or LSPD, depending on who wants to do it.  Some black and whites, tan uniforms, and motorcycle cops would be cool, but imo it doesn't justify a new LEO faction.  The highways are deserted almost all the time.  I would make those like the autobahn with no speed limit, like another poster suggested.  SAHP could camp onramps or whatever, but then they'd get their rp and it would be a bore for everyone else, except the people who come out with guns blazing at a traffic stop.