Shank Making Rules Change: Let Us Use Plastic.

[Peckergoof]

The suggestion is exactly as the title says. Currently shanks have to be made using some kind of sturdy metal. This is a hold-over rule from when shanks didn't have a durability system. The reasoning being that plastic shanks, and shanks made from other "flimsy" material would eventually break when used. There is now a durability system for crafted shanks, but a sturdy piece of metal is still required. 

This isn't a particularly realistic rule to have anymore and in my opinion breaks the immersion of the prison experience. There are a variety of ways to make a shank out of plastic, and shanks made in these kinds of ways are more common in the corrections system than actual metal shanks are. The reality is that inmates are crafty people, and will find a way to make a weapon out of whatever materials they have available. If anything shanks made out of a metal should have more durability than shanks made out of flimsier material, but shanks should still be able to be made out of plastic, and other flimsy materials. So long as the RP is put in the create these kinds of weapons. Some may argue that this will lead to a surge in noobs inside the prison making shanks, but this is negated by the fact that you need permission from the leader of your prison car/faction to make a shank. 

Also I think that it should be a rule that these plastic shanks can't RPly kill someone unless the user specifically RPs targeting the neck. These kinds of shanks don't tend to be deadly when targeting the body. Plastic shanks could be tracked by having a maximum durability which all metal shanks exceed. I'd say five as a suggestion. 

In-case someone doesn't believe that you can make a shank out of plastic, or even other incredibly flimsy materials, I have a series of videos below showing plastic shanks, and most show how they're made. I'd particularly look at the timestamped Larry Lawton video, and the streamable at the end. Note that in any video where the person is using a lighter, that you don't have to necessarily use a lighter to get fire in prison. Most people don't have access to that. Instead what they do is use batteries to get a spark, and use a wick like what is shown in the streamable. The videos where a lighter is used it is out of the convenience of the demonstrator. 
 

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https://streamable.com/nr2jfm

 

Edited April 26 by Peckergoof

[danistheman]

I think it’d be good to have different shank items (plastic, metal) and have different damages and durability.

 

The switchblade is overkill.

[Peckergoof]

Just now, danistheman said:

I think it’d be good to have different shank items (plastic, metal) and have different damages and durability.

 

The switchblade is overkill.

I agree but I believe we're currently limited scriptwise with the damage suggestion. Durability however is something that is currently modifiable, and as said in the main post, I believe that there should be a rule regarding the lethality of plastic weapons. The plastic weapons could be tracked by having a maximum durability that all metal shanks exceed. 

[fisheman]

/support

[forSALE]

Shanks can be made with plastic material, yes. They are pretty common in this time. 

However if you try to punctuate harder with a plastic makeshift? You'll obviously break it, but I think if you isolate it and secure it properly that can be of a stronger durability. I believe metal shanks are of a stronger durability and it can easily thrust through the meat and bones.

Durability? That's also an option where you can consider HOW strong you isolate the shank in order to avoid it being broken, it all really depends how you portray your role-play of making this shank. I believe if you cover all basis and basically elaborate of the way it's being made from plastic toothbrush for example you should be fine. 

When it comes down to ruling this? You'd have to think of all aspects and the way it's going affect IC situations, whether it'll be a kill in the role-play which is protected by a rule. 

Also why plastic shanks can't kill somebody? If it's a lethal stab through the skin and punctuates a major organ? You'll cause a internal bleeding and the individual can easily be killed within minutes, I believe that's just limiting role-play and not allowing people to be creative in every aspect. 

Edited April 26 by forSALE

[DLimit]

Make it where plastic shanks shatter in 3 strikes, or something along those lines.

+1.

[Peckergoof]

8 hours ago, forSALE said:

Shanks can be made with plastic material, yes. They are pretty common in this time. 

However if you try to punctuate harder with a plastic makeshift? You'll obviously break it, but I think if you isolate it and secure it properly that can be of a stronger durability. I believe metal shanks are of a stronger durability and it can easily thrust through the meat and bones.

Durability? That's also an option where you can consider HOW strong you isolate the shank in order to avoid it being broken, it all really depends how you portray your role-play of making this shank. I believe if you cover all basis and basically elaborate of the way it's being made from plastic toothbrush for example you should be fine. 

When it comes down to ruling this? You'd have to think of all aspects and the way it's going affect IC situations, whether it'll be a kill in the role-play which is protected by a rule. 

Also why plastic shanks can't kill somebody? If it's a lethal stab through the skin and punctuates a major organ? You'll cause a internal bleeding and the individual can easily be killed within minutes, I believe that's just limiting role-play and not allowing people to be creative in every aspect. 

Very solid point. I more so made that suggestion to try and reach a compromise with staff members that wouldnt be cool with plastic shanks doing the same amount of damage as metal ones. In reality plastic shanks can and are just as effective as many metal shanks, and just as durable, if you make them right. 

[forSALE]

12 hours ago, DLimit said:

Make it where plastic shanks shatter in 3 strikes, or something along those lines.

+1.

I strongly believe that it would really depend on how DURABLE you'd make that shank be.

I also think that you could have 5 to 7 hits with a shank just to be on the safe side because from my experience the in-game shanks aren't working properly, you would have to either /fixinvi or change your character in order to have it working properly. 

It would all really depend from the admin team and the IFM team of how deep they'd want to push this and if they do really want in depth role-play to justify the DURABILITY of the shank. For example you could use a tuna can to make a shank which the metal itself can be really sharp and have heavy durability just because it's metal and if you were to isolate that properly? It'll be one hell of a bone crusher. 

So like I said, it really depends on how you portray and display the role-play.

Edited April 27 by forSALE

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