Why (or should) can the death penalty be handed to a character that PLAYER-KILLED Officers?

[eTaylor]

2 minutes ago, rainbowlarva said:

Why are LEOs the ones that have to be CKed over Demaine Jopps decision to stop caring about his life and start executing cops? LEOs aren't even the ones that make the decision on his CK, the people behind reimplementing the death penalty and the DA's pushing for the CK are the ones that do that - LEOs have no hand in what happens beyond just arresting the guy. If criminal players really want to do the bonehead CK for CK thing, then they're not even targeting the right people for it. I think that's reason enough that the whole CK for CK idea shouldn't be considered

The way you word this makes it sound like you’re accusing Jopps of rulebreaking which I’m pretty sure didn’t happen. He didn’t just stop caring, it’s just what happened. He got in a shootout with cops just like many others do. The fact that he got put to death and forced to CK while nobody else was CKed is absolutely stupid considering the standard has always been a CK for a CK. Meaning that you can’t life or death someone unless they actually CKed someone. A PK whichever way should never justify a CK in this context. If it was something he chose for then okay, or if it was an admin intervention issue they should’ve just gone ahead with that route instead of pushing it through the courts. Like I said earlier, I think this is against the spirit of the server and isn’t at all a precedent we should be endorsing. 

[ZaE]

3 minutes ago, Rino said:

Literally, if the Death Penalty was taken off the table, he'd just be resuming his lifer roleplay as per usual like nothing happened. 

And maybe people would care about the DP. Doing it for player-kills adds little to no weight.

[rainbowlarva]

10 minutes ago, ZaE said:

Then give him life. CK for CK or nothing. They walked into his turf with a suicidal mindset for a gun…something they see every day in the city. They could’ve opened an investigation and raided his properties or something, literally so many more options besides running yourself into a box trap (after already failing) and asking to get shot.

This isn't Iraq, and it's not an autonomous zone or The Zone from Stalker, it's just gang turf. Acting like it's an extremely foreign concept for cops to be there and act on gun violence is pretty stupid. LEOs aren't the ones that are deciding on this dudes CK anyways, cops have zero say in that regard - it's the DA's Office, Courts, and Senators that decided to re-publish the death penalty who setup that decision. The cops shouldn't even be in the argument, especially when you consider that their ruleset requires them to react to felony crimes or be liable for punishment on character portrayal concerns

 

5 minutes ago, eTaylor said:

The way you word this makes it sound like you’re accusing Jopps of rulebreaking which I’m pretty sure didn’t happen. He didn’t just stop caring, it’s just what happened. He got in a shootout with cops just like many others do. The fact that he got put to death and forced to CK while nobody else was CKed is absolutely stupid considering the standard has always been a CK for a CK. Meaning that you can’t life or death someone unless they actually CKed someone. A PK whichever way should never justify a CK in this context. If it was something he chose for then okay, or if it was an admin intervention issue they should’ve just gone ahead with that route instead of pushing it through the courts. Like I said earlier, I think this is against the spirit of the server and isn’t at all a precedent we should be endorsing. 

I wasn't there so I don't know the circumstances, it was just poor wording. I never disagreed with the death penalty being stupid and against the spirit of the server, but I do believe that the way to go about resolving it isn't by CK'ing characters that are just responding to the scene, characters that have no hand in making decisions on the death penalty CK at that

Edited November 23, 2023 by rainbowlarva

[eTaylor]

1 minute ago, rainbowlarva said:

I wasn't there so I don't know the circumstances, it was just poor wording. I never disagreed with the death penalty being stupid and against the spirit of the server, but I do believe that the way to go about resolving it isn't by CK'ing characters that are just responding to the scene, characters that have no hand in making decisions on the death penalty CK at that

I’m not saying first responders should get CKed (unless they themselves want to) for responding. I’m saying that if they don’t, neither should the suspect.

[ZaE]

7 minutes ago, rainbowlarva said:

This isn't Iraq, and it's not an autonomous zone or The Zone from Stalker, it's just gang turf. Acting like it's an extremely foreign concept for cops to be there and act on gun violence is pretty stupid. LEOs aren't the ones that are deciding on this dudes CK anyways, cops have zero say in that regard - it's the DA's Office, Courts, and Senators that decided to re-publish the death penalty who setup that decision. The cops shouldn't even be in the argument, especially when you consider that their ruleset requires them to react to felony crimes or be liable for punishment on character portrayal concerns

 

I wasn't there so I don't know the circumstances, it was just poor wording. I never disagreed with the death penalty being stupid and against the spirit of the server, but I do believe that the way to go about resolving it is by CK'ing characters that are just responding to the scene, characters that have no hand in making decisions on the death penalty CK at that

Did you know 1/4 of the cops agrees to CK? Its crazy how at least one agrees they should be CKed.

 

No. This isnt Iraq. But its a gang territory that is known to be dangerous to police (HPB has literally had a era of “no cops in bhamberlain” which was heavily active last year due to police being on Yorell Kelly’s nuts). 
 

a few months ago over 40 people murdered Cody Mora right down the street at a function with almost every mexican and black factions there. Where is the fear from these cops? MS-13, HPB, R20s, Bloodstone Villains, etc. all are on this one street and two of those factions are in active heavy gang injunction itching levels of tension. 

You all are missing the point;

 

Want the death penalty? Have the cops Demaine murdered character-kill. Because if not? It’s not fair. 
 

Dont wanna CK the cops? Then give Demaine life imprisonment. Since when has the standard and spirit of the server been one sided? It’s supposed to be a fair system when CKs are brought up. 
 

This entire scenario should show the community how the DA intends to use the system and warrant them to go against it. I think the death penalty should be removed entirely 🤷🏽‍♂️

Edited November 23, 2023 by ZaE

[rainbowlarva]

Just now, ZaE said:

Did you know 1/4 of the cops agrees to CK? Its crazy how at least one agrees they should be CKed.

 

No. This isnt Iraq. But its a gang territory that is known to be dangerous to police (HPB has literally had a era of “no cops in bhamberlain” which was heavily active last year due to police being on Yorell Kelly’s nuts). 
 

a few months ago over 40 people murdered Cody Mora right down the street at a function with almost every mexican and black factions there. Where is the fear from these cops? MS-13, HPB, R20s, Bloodstone Villains, etc. all are on this one street and two of those factions are in active heavy gang injunction itching levels of tension. 

I do not care if any of the cops decide to CK themselves. There's an illegal faction on quite literally every street corner nearly map wide at this point, so I don't care about that either

[AnthonyCourtney]

21 minutes ago, rainbowlarva said:

Why are LEOs the ones that have to be CKed over Demaine Jopps decision to stop caring about his life and start executing cops?

Because they didn't RP fear and ran straight into their very, very obviously incoming deaths because they wanted to arrest him with no regard for their own lives.

 

Hope that helps.

Edited November 23, 2023 by AnthonyCourtney

[rainbowlarva]

Just now, AnthonyCourtney said:

Because they didn't RP fear and ran straight into their deaths because they wanted to arrest him with no regard for their own lives.

 

Hope that helps.

If four illegal players ran in to try and bag one guy, and all got wasted, the argument would be entirely different right now

[AnthonyCourtney]

Just now, rainbowlarva said:

If four illegal players ran in to try and bag one guy, and all got wasted, the argument would be entirely different right now

That's probably because the illegal rpers wouldn't have tried to kidnap 1 guy with 10 of his fellow gang members around and in their own project building

[ZaE]

1 minute ago, rainbowlarva said:

If four illegal players ran in to try and bag one guy, and all got wasted, the argument would be entirely different right now

They wouldve been shot while scouting 😂