Why (or should) can the death penalty be handed to a character that PLAYER-KILLED Officers?

[eTaylor]

16 minutes ago, soudiere said:

I can't think of many illegal RP'ers, especially gang RP'ers, that would mind this if the amount of K-9's got toned down and LEO characters actually got CK'd for lack of fear.

 

 

Forward any instances of K-9 abuse or misuse. 

[Fanden]

It's not just that he killed cops, is it? Was it not a planned ambush? That's what it looked like in the video. Cops shoot in situations like that because they have to, they didn't shoot first. Crims shoot because they feel like it.

[ZaE]

6 minutes ago, Fanden said:

It's not just that he killed cops, is it? Was it not a planned ambush? That's what it looked like in the video. Cops shoot in situations like that because they have to, they didn't shoot first. Crims shoot because they feel like it.

It was not an ambush. 

[Fanden]

1 minute ago, ZaE said:

It was not an ambush. 

Ah my mistake then, as, it looks like the suspects had the ability to escape and decided instead to lead police into a choke point and shoot them rather than run.

 

[Big_Smokes]

1 hour ago, jromjeksin said:

I agree. If you PK a cop it should just be a PK. Depending on your record, if you get a lengthy sentence or even life, I can live with that. If you decide you're gonna commit multiple counts of capital murder over a petty gun charge and they catch you, you deserve to be sentenced to death/CKed. I think killing a bunch of cops instead of spending an hour in jail for an illegal gun is a bit much if you're doing it pretty often. Again, while I'm not a part of LFM/DAO, I think they reserve the death penalty for special cases and pretty rare occasions. I can see the incident being highlighted as one of them. It's kinda the same treatment you get when you shoot your way out of a situation to avoid the consequences of your actions or even as a cop if you decide to do some super-cop style shit and get killed. Both instances should result in a CK imo.

 

To add on to the last bit: I recently came back to the server & the LSPD and during every training/exercise/anything to do with engaging with (more organized) criminals, they essentially warn you going ''if you do something stupid like engage a big group of dudes with guns and you die, you run a serious risk of getting CKed''. I don't know how often this is applied, but at the very least, the expectation/impression that it will happen exists and is used as a constant reminder not to be an idiot out of character. Whether this holds up in every individual experience people have with each other, I don't know. Probably doesn't, but as it is, things rarely do hold up 100% of the time.

 

On topic though, I think this is a difficult one. CK applications exist for a reason and considering this court case's *potential outcome* was FM approved, I do expect that it went through the same process as a regular CK application or something similar where all sides were taken into account. I don't necessarily like CK's being forced as a concept at all (I believe it should be an agreement between the players involved, but, within reason, exceptions should be made) because nobody likes losing their whole story over something that as they perceived it wasn't even close to being worth ending their story over.

 

I don't see how this situation is any different from any other CK application situation just because the courts are involved, however. I've seen a fair amount of replies going ''you should only get CKed if the victim got CKed'', but is that even true in most current/past situations where people get CKed? I would love to know because I am genuinely curious. Mind you, I've had very little to do with involuntary CKs during my time here and I wonder what the standard is in that regard.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Big_Smokes

[ZaE]

12 hours ago, ZaE said:

And to add context to this, we were all otuside of the block prior to this and they had already tried to get Demaine Jopp and failed this night. (https://gyazo.com/b0db6dd5b92a0a2cb9ef170435801def)  and this was MINUTES prior. Where is the fear in knowing these criminals now know you're plan? I mean they were driving around our block for my whole 6 minutes clip just waiting and contemplating until they failed and moved to the back (where they are in this clip)

 

You could also argue and ask what the fuck Jack Laguna and Jorge are doing pulling up with one SUV to a bunch of gang members...putting us on edge already.  (This is in the gyazo link above)

 

I would also like to add context on how many people were on the block cause it was a very large number that should've warranted them showing a little bit of fear.

 

 

This was when I did /fonline just moments before. There was also people in cars and some inside the plex and surrounding area of the turf since we don't put locals in the faction script. They ran with only three police into a gang infested area for one man with a gun when they could've just pulled him over a few days later and avoided all the endangerment, but it seems they were itching to get him. Not to add that they couldn't handle their first failure so much that they were plotting in the back until we all realized it, ultimately Demaine came back out cause we didn't know who they were after and everybody said the block was safe, on top of that Demaine didn't expect nor did any of us that the police would be in the back until we were informed.

 

(A bit more context, Demaine doesn't even recall ever having his weapon out and we believe that the police mistook him for Marcel Harris but we didn't care to argue it and just proceeded IC, which is what we want at the end of the as well. This should've never been a big hassle.) 

 

 

@Fanden

Edited November 23, 2023 by ZaE

[PeopleKind]

After seeing the footage & reading the replies, let me just say this... If you believe those officers should be CKed, report them. If LFM feels like it's CK worthy, they will be CKed for it. It happens more often than you think. 

 

If an LEO dies due to carelessness & utter disregard of their own life to the point it's CK worthy, LFM usually CKs them if they get a report about it. I've seen it happen several times. Cops going solo against a gang, dying, then being force CKed because of it, etc.

 

People think reporting is "weak" but at the end of the day, that's what it's there for. If you want the cops to be CKed for the claims you're mentioning of lack of fear & the likes, make a report against them & LFM will investigate & determine the right outcome. Ranting on a forum thread doesn't help solve the specific situation. If you feel they broke the rules? Report them. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by PeopleKind

[ZaE]

3 minutes ago, PeopleKind said:

LFM will investigate & determine the right outcome. Ranting on a forum thread solves nothing.

Edited just now by PeopleKind

We wish this was an option we felt comfortable but when targetting has happened in our eyes behind the scenes (Quincy has doven into that) we have no faith in that team but from what i know he is gonna report all the cops involved either way and pray its handled with no bias.

Edited November 23, 2023 by ZaE

[_187]

reading all these responses makes me feel like y'all want cops to be handing over their badge number and driving license upon entering the hood and should they be allowed to enter the hood they need to have a whole ass convoy with tanks and APCs to even make it out alive like they're in a convoy in afghanistan or some shit 🤣🤣 LA ain't in Afghanistan and yall think cops should be going through 3 hour long arma missions to move from point a to point b

Edited November 23, 2023 by _187

[pateuvasiliu]

Where were all those illegal roleplayers when Maya Valerio got CK greenlit for allegedly lying in court? She didn't CK the illegal player, yet a CK was approved on her.

 

Bit hypocritical, no? If a cop can get CK greenlit for supposedly lying on the stand, why shouldn't a criminal get CKed for murdering 4 cops?

Edited November 23, 2023 by pateuvasiliu