Roleplay Isolation Discussion

[Paenymion]

5 hours ago, EvilTwin said:

 

I think the latter two suggestions I made could work.

 

But if you offer females ankle monitors and community service more than males, just because female jail is more boring, it feels a bit weird.

[EvilTwin]

12 minutes ago, Paenymion said:

But if you offer females ankle monitors and community service more than males, just because female jail is more boring, it feels a bit weird.

It may be weird, but so is the lack of presence in Pod B anyway. It's so artificial that it's just Ajail.
At least CO's and prisoners would have something to do.

[Rylee]

2 hours ago, munnezza said:

Your argument is basically "we can't make mistakes since only good players join our faction, btw if you got complaints, please forward them to our Internal Affairs which surely is going to punish that cop instead of trying their best to mitigate a bad public image scenario".

 

When you get suspended, are you technically banned from roleplaying that character?  

 

That's not my argument at all. I'm clarifying this misconception that /anyone/ can lock you away for forty-eight hours. If someone is /maliciously/ using forty-eight-hour detainments, that's an OOC issue as it's akin to an unofficial ajail.

 

So, if they're kicked from the faction, can they still play their character? Sure! They just won't be in the faction anymore.

 

Because if it's an IC issue, you should then deal with it ICly, no? You can't keep teetering back and forth between IC and OOC, when the whole point of this thread is the OOC concern regarding forty-eight-hour punishments.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Rylee

[Viscaria]

So far with this discussion I've come to two points of possible solution surrounding a difficult issue to tackle, which is roleplay isolation, one of them is a somewhat easy thing to implement, the other would need more discussion and planning.

As suggested previously, having the 48 hour investigative holds count towards your time served in jail should you be charged. This doesn't inherently fix the problem at hand, but it would at least give common courtesy then to both sides of the coin when it comes to respecting one anothers time on an OOC level.

The next potential solution would be to somehow create new possibilities for both suspects and detectives, and LEO's or CO's, to interact with suspects and inmates surrounding those who are in confinements. I'm not really sure what the options are here yet but I do potentially have something in mind when it comes to B pod, I'll bring that to light when there's more to be said.

I just want to make it clear that this is still a discussion, in no way does anything I mentioned above indicate changes will happen to how current things work.

[FOOBACCA]

What is the actual point of the 48 hr hold though? You put me in a 48hr hold and I log out and then get released without an interview lmao

 

it definitely should count to time served when 48 hrs ooc is the equivalent to the same punishment as some felonies

Edited November 10, 2023 by FOOBACCA

[munnezza]

5 hours ago, Viscaria said:

So far with this discussion I've come to two points of possible solution surrounding a difficult issue to tackle, which is roleplay isolation, one of them is a somewhat easy thing to implement, the other would need more discussion and planning.

As suggested previously, having the 48 hour investigative holds count towards your time served in jail should you be charged. This doesn't inherently fix the problem at hand, but it would at least give common courtesy then to both sides of the coin when it comes to respecting one anothers time on an OOC level.

The next potential solution would be to somehow create new possibilities for both suspects and detectives, and LEO's or CO's, to interact with suspects and inmates surrounding those who are in confinements. I'm not really sure what the options are here yet but I do potentially have something in mind when it comes to B pod, I'll bring that to light when there's more to be said.

I just want to make it clear that this is still a discussion, in no way does anything I mentioned above indicate changes will happen to how current things work.

There used to be Custody Assistants in SD but from my knowledge that position was recently disbanded after SADCR.

 

Maybe we can use the county jail for this purpose, although it's not 1:1 the same thing as a real life 48h detainment. Another issue that might arise would be the volume of detained individuals under this circumstances that would actually give some sort of roleplay to those CAs.

[CYCOSOCIAL]

As the faction leader for SADCR, I can confirm whenever we can we have people in Housing Department B at all times pretty much paroling everyone they can.

However, unfortunately, the majority of them get arrested the same day and it leads to a required case because they violate parole. It's not as clear a solution as you think - it can actually make it worse because people aren't one hundred percent sure of what they're signing up for and put themselves in scenarios they aren't aware of. 

It's still a good option though. Parole is ridiculously easy to get now. It's a very good solution, but not the perfect solution some people believe on this thread.

Edited November 17, 2023 by CYCOSOCIAL

[Scheming]

On 11/5/2023 at 8:13 PM, AnthonyCourtney said:

48 hour investigative holds are not fine. First of all I'm not logging in to stare at a wall so they're useless, and second of all I don't trust any player here with the ability to interrupt somebody else's roleplay for 2 entire days. The only thing this achieves is depriving people of RP, it doesn't even really do anything much for the detectives.  Female jail is a lost cause, there will never be enough female criminal roleplayers to consistently populate an entire section of the prison - it's unfortunate but there's no way to fix this, the population will always fluctuate wildly. Mixing males/females would be stupid since it would not only be ridiculous, but it'd also just result in everybody serious about prison RP ignoring them anyway.

 

But prison isolation is just a necessary evil. There has to be a way to punish and segregate inmates who either can't behave or are, in character, too dangerous to let roam in general population. It's the easiest way to keep prison free of trolls - people who start shit eventually realize that it's not worth the time in isolation (where your sentence time should not go down). As an added bonus, trolls tend to fuck up and get themselves put in the hole very quickly, which also teaches them a lesson and makes prison a more pleasant place to be in.

 

 

female prison legit felt like ajail aint shit to do LOL
crazy how they hold you for 48 hours/2 days instead of a detective picking you up, and banging this whole investigation out in 2 hours etc.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Scheming

[Wesson]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:41 PM, Scheming said:

female prison legit felt like ajail aint shit to do LOL
crazy how they hold you for 48 hours/2 days instead of a detective picking you up, and banging this whole investigation out in 2 hours etc.

Reason why that doesn't happen is because detectives aren't online 24/7 and everyone plays on different times, including the person who's on an investigative hold. The investigative hold is also not given out like candy by any mean, it's only requested and approved by a supervisor or a detective when there is enough evidence to facilitate an actual investigation to a heinous crime, such as capital or second degree murder, which is not only a serious crime, but also a serious action.

 

If your character makes the choice to murder someone or commit an insane act of crime, then they should also expect to be held for an investigative hold, it's only fair to allow some form of justice to be brought onto them, killing somebody is very serious despite it being an in character endeavor and you can't just expect to be murdering people left and right without serious and actual repercussions to you and your freedom.

[young.]

A lot of people have said it but investigative holds are unfortunately a necessary evil. Detectives frequently put up APBs on people who are wanted for questioning, many of whom are suspected of committing a crime. In order for that questioning to take place by the detective who's handling the case/putting up the APB, the player pretty much needs to be held after they're caught until that detective is online. It wouldn't make sense to let these people go until the handling detective is able to bring them in. I also doubt that many people would come in for questioning willingly if contacted.