Remove Good Cause From CCW application

[Jeroen]

8 minutes ago, BullChan said:

and also LSPD having the ability to literally go in guns blazing with automatic weapons.

Most in the LSPD do not have access to fully automatic firearms. Even if you're authorized a patrol rifle, you can only use it in semi.

 

If my memory serves me right, only METRO personnel such as SWAT and K9 have access to fully automatic weapons.

[BullChan]

1 minute ago, Jeroen said:

I am calm, and I am not trying to insult anybody. But if anyone feels insulted by that specific statement, that is their problem. Now, as stated in my first post in this thread, it's clear that it's not someone's (constitutional) right to get a CCW, as the staff team has decided against it.

Transporting a firearm has a very specific definition under the SHAFT Act. It's just a bit harder, but with a bit of smooth talkin' you can probably conceal carry without getting in trouble ever, even if you get into a shooting.

I actually wished more people roleplayed outside of the city, I used to do it when it was active and it was some of the most enjoyable roleplay I've had in the server. I'm just surprised that not a lot of people use the leniency granted by the specific provisions under the SHAFT Act as a reason to go out and open carry outside the city.

That is one thing that I wish the community has a lot more agency with deciding if they want recreational weed legalized.

Can I ask why you don't want anyone to Conceal Carry then? Since from what I understand that is your issue. That's why you are pushing the current CCW regulations hard on these threads? 

[BullChan]

2 minutes ago, Jeroen said:

Most in the LSPD do not have access to fully automatic firearms. Even if you're authorized a patrol rifle, you can only use it in semi.

 

If my memory serves me right, only METRO personnel such as SWAT and K9 have access to fully automatic weapons.

There is also the issue of policing tactics there. Usually it takes around 30-45 minutes for LSPD to get to any of my calls no matter what the issue my character facing is. I legit think the issue there is because they send around 20 officers to a shootout against 2 illegal chars. 
Which is okay if you guys had the numbers to be able to support it but that is an entirely another issue. What I'm getting at is people want more lenient CCW laws because they really don't feel safe with how the legal characters are treated. 

[BullChan]

6 minutes ago, Jeroen said:

I am calm, and I am not trying to insult anybody. But if anyone feels insulted by that specific statement, that is their problem. Now, as stated in my first post in this thread, it's clear that it's not someone's (constitutional) right to get a CCW, as the staff team has decided against it.

 

To comment on that, I can't see the part about admin team accepting that US Constitution is voided. Can you please refer to the announcement where it says GTAW team doesn't consider US Constitution a part of the server continuity? 

[kristofer]

You have people saying that it's easier to get ahold of a firearm and conceal carry it in real life than it is on this server, myself included. We do not need a "Good cause" or whatever that even means where I live. So why is the process of being able to conceal carry more difficult here than it is in some European countries? 

[BullChan]

2 minutes ago, kristofer said:

You have people saying that it's easier to get ahold of a firearm and conceal carry it in real life than it is on this server, myself included. We do not need a "Good cause" or whatever that even means where I live. So why is the process of being able to conceal carry more difficult here than it is in some European countries? 

It is harder to actually get a Conceal Carry Permit in GTAW than it is in Japan which is literally the hardest country to get a Gun Permit. Their laws are usually considered "oppressive." 
That alone is an absurd fact. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by BullChan

[mrtnzi]

1 minute ago, kristofer said:

You have people saying that it's easier to get ahold of a firearm and conceal carry it in real life than it is on this server, myself included. We do not need a "Good cause" or whatever that even means where I live. So why is the process of being able to conceal carry more difficult here than it is in some European countries? 

I assume the justification is balancing reasons, the same way you're not allowed to perform petty crimes from a bike or mug with an escape vehicle. 

 

Not saying it's right with the CCW being restricted but that's probably why

 

Illegal chars need legal chars to target to have a function I suppose

And it makes illegal rp very hard if every time they try to mug someone the person pulls a gun

[DasFroggy]

8 minutes ago, Jeroen said:

That is one thing that I wish the community has a lot more agency with deciding if they want recreational weed legalized.

 

Sad that it's instead the iconic example of how not everything can be taken IC, because any legislation that IFM or LFM finds too inconvenient for their status quo, can be struck down via OOC-established, absolute authority over allowing majority IC community legislation can survive. 

 

Thanks to a pointless overstep from LFM/IFM, we know for a fact that something like this can't be taken IC. It'll be shut down, even if it has the backing of everyone IC.

[Miami]

9 minutes ago, Jeroen said:

Transporting a firearm has a very specific definition under the SHAFT Act. It's just a bit harder, but with a bit of smooth talkin' you can probably conceal carry without getting in trouble ever, even if you get into a shooting.

 

With a little smooth talking I got out of a speeding ticket that one time. That doesn't make speeding legal.

Hell, with a little smooth talking you could get out of murder on this server.

 

I'm talking as a legal RPer that wants to play within the confines of the IC law. Some things just make it harder for us to play while still staying legal. Some things just ruin our RP experiences. 

 

So, if my "smooth talking" fails and I get arrested, I lose everything I've ever worked for in this server as someone that works in a gov't faction.

[BullChan]

1 minute ago, mrtnzi said:

I assume the justification is balancing reasons, the same way you're not allowed to perform petty crimes from a bike or mug with an escape vehicle. 

 

Not saying it's right with the CCW being restricted but that's probably why

 

Illegal chars need legal chars to target to have a function I suppose

And it makes illegal rp very hard if every time they try to mug someone the person pulls a gun

That is simply not true as illegal characters are already protected by fear rp rules. Which can get you ajailed or cked. 
At this point, if it is unfair for anyone, it's the legal characters. That is not a real good reason to make it an absurdly annoying and pointless process. And again, FLD or LFM can just ban people who are actively being a vigilante from getting their CCW. 

Edited June 24, 2023 by BullChan