Suggestion-CCW Exam is Broken, Change the exam and re-write SHAFT Code.

[mrtnzi]

9 minutes ago, Helm said:

I remember the old days, when the exam had to be graded manually. 4 years ago, now... To be honest, that's the last time I really interacted with the CCW exam. I can't say what it's like now, as a newly returned member of FLD, but what I do know, is that the test has always seem overly focused on situational awareness and justifiable use of force. Those are very important topics in CCW classes IRL, and are indeed what's usually covered the most extensively, since there's so many variables, and are some of the hardest for people to wrap their heads around. However, that's not all they cover, and I do think the exam could do with more variety if it's still overly focused on those things. 

 

Speaking of CCW classes, it'd be pretty cool if there were active gun stores with ranges that would start teaching CCW classes. Perhaps they could even issue certificates that the FLD would recognize, assuming they'd vetted the instructors? With said certificate in hand, the applicant wouldn't need to take an exam. Think it'd be pretty cool if we allowed multiple pathways to receiving the CCW like that. Maybe even FLD could host said classes to ensure validity, since... well, there aren't any active gun stores.

We need more active gun ranges I wanna shoot my gun

[Venturoliam]

2 hours ago, mrtnzi said:

We need more active gun ranges I wanna shoot my gun

👀

But yes, shaft code does need to be re-written +1

Edited June 22, 2023 by Venturoliam

[kristofer]

Abolish the FLD

[CaffeineHigh]

The amount of times this has been suggested and thrown around the forums, with multiple discussions going back and forth, should really start to open the eyes of the Firearms Licensing Division, as well as Legal Faction Management and the likes.

I too agree that the current CCW exam, despite being "in accordance with the law", is set up to fail you by the means of repeat questions, as well as several trick questions. It becomes very frustrating for a player to have to re-apply time and time again, then fail each time, and be "banned" from applying for months at a time. Not to mention the absolute bias some FLD officers have shown me before, where for 3 attempts, the Good Cause for my CCW was accepted, then suddenly that same good cause being denied once or twice during two more attempts.

The law needs to be rewritten, as well as the exam. The only players who can currently benefit from weapon possesion are County Roleplayers who can openly carry outside of the incorporated area. The rest has to have it on their glovebox, and quickly /vinv it to take it out - which takes precious seconds. Then, after having defended themselves with a PF, they run the risk of still being arrested by highly misinformed officers who believe that people without a CCW cannot defend themselves publicly (and I have almost had this happen before on an alt that is now long gone.)

Yes, some of this should be taken ICly and brought up with the FLD. HOWEVER, 9/10 times before a suggestion like this is closed, we are told/reminded that "Legal Faction Management approved this and that, take it up with them". Hence, taking it ICly is not entirely possible (but I am not saying it is impossible either).

I also agree with the fact someone said that "An illegal roleplayer can obtain a weapon in mere minutes, despite the character being new or not."

Legal Roleplayers can hardly benefit from a weapons license within the incorporated area if they cannot Conceal Carry because they keep failing the exam and getting banned from reappling for months at a time, every time, all time.

[Jeroen]

2 hours ago, CaffeineHigh said:

Not to mention the absolute bias some FLD officers have shown me before, where for 3 attempts, the Good Cause for my CCW was accepted, then suddenly that same good cause being denied once or twice during two more attempts.

Some handlers will judge a good cause harder than another handler, and a good cause you've successfully used in a prior application isn't automatically valid in the next. They're judged per application.

[Andrew Brandenburg]

+1 The CCW exam is horrible and there is no reasonable justification for such an annoying exam to get a gun permit in a game. A simple, clear, 10 questions test would be more than enough. The questions in the CCW exam are ambiguous as are the answers and it sometimes looks like it's made to be failed. However, every time people complain about the CCW it falls on deaf ears.

[Jeroen]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Brandenburg said:

+1 The CCW exam is horrible and there is no reasonable justification for such an annoying exam to get a gun permit in a game. A simple, clear, 10 questions test would be more than enough. The questions in the CCW exam are ambiguous as are the answers and it sometimes looks like it's made to be failed. However, every time people complain about the CCW it falls on deaf ears.

I can guarantee you, every complaint made about any process handled by FLD will be read and talked about in the FLD chats.

[Martyn]

I cannot agree more, the CCW exam is broken it is far... FAR easier to pass the BAR exam on this server and that says enough. And no, it doesn't say the BAR exam has to be made more difficult. Just change the CCW exam in a way where it actually tests knowledge rather than testing to see if it can trick you using evil techniques you wouldn't even expect to find in real life.

 

That's not even mentioning the predatory practices in regard to the illegal "good cause justification".

 

I also really hate to see all the shill-like comments from certain people who suddenly come out of the woodworks. These things have been complained about time and time again maybe try to look at us as fellow community members who try to enjoy the game just the same as you. Instead of a bunch of people who need to be tricked and treated like shit.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Martyn

[Jeroen]

14 minutes ago, Martyn said:

FAR easier to pass the BAR exam on this server and that says enough.

I disagree, I spent about 3½ hours on the Bar exam, not including the actual months of prep work I've done beforehand.

 

14 minutes ago, Martyn said:

That's not even mentioning the predatory practices in regard to the illegal "good cause justification".

Any issues with good cause should be brought up to Nervous directly, which he (edit: or another admin, can't find who on my phone) has rules upon recently after the SCOTUS ruling on New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Jeroen

[okcity]

All the legal firearm obtaining stuff needs to be reviewed by someone with a US mindset from the beginning. I'm sure people in FLD is great and doing what they were told but the system is really European.

 

Good cause is there to ensure you share the common sense but it's not the case when illegal RPers obtain them without any questions. ICly, everyone has that good cause. If you really wanna do it, ask OOCly.

 

Instead, you can ban people accountwide either perma or temp if they abused it, or used it extremely wrong. Punish the wrongdoers, not the innocent player.