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......she was special.

So it comes to, 4 CK for 1 CK is fine. But 1 CK for 4 PK, hold on that's totally not fair... My point here is you can't sit and preach fairness when you're not sitting on the fairness argument to begin with.

So we're back to the age old argument of not wanting to accept the consequences for our actions, even though guy in this thread clearly wants to. You think it's only fair to get a pound of flesh from the 4 officers he shot.

Well if he's happy with it, I doubt he needs you making all these excuses on his behalf. Because whether you think you are or aren't - you are. And if he's happy with the character getting caught, then he should probably understand that a quadruple murder is more than likely a death sentence in most states.

That's risk versus reward baby. And this time the risk won.

Internal rule. This not the right place for this.

Because the majority of the time a lawyer is going to come down, ask if there is a case - if there is a detective, they'll say yes - if there is one. And that'll be that. LEO's are within their right to hold them. If you as a criminal in jail don't have access to a lawyer, you can - when you're being put in holding if you don't have a lawyer, make them page for one. I can't say that one will come. But you can do that. But a lawyer will find out if there is an active case or one that might come later. And then things change from there. Generally speaking when someone is in holding, we try and get their discord info, or their forum information so we can message them and say "Hey, we'd like to get this RP moving, when is a good time for you to be available?" Sometimes they respond, sometimes they don't. I'm sure it's equally frustrating from both sides. I think maybe you misunderstood my points about people not wanting to roleplay their situation, and that's okay.

They're 100% allowed to contact a lawyer. It says so in the penal code. And no I didn't say or allude anywhere that detectives are the pinnacle of activity. What I did say is that when there is a case to actually work, it gets worked. Because workable cases where the is a possible suspect already in custody? Not that common. And usually they're a slam dunk. I made an observation after having RP'd a detective for coming up on 3 years now. Do we get people who want to RP? Absolutely. And we love that. We really do. Are they common? Not really. And that's as disappointing as can be. Because detectives can't conduct a good portion of their RP without their suspect to investigate. I haven't said anything about cop good, criminal bad. That was all you.

The courtroom situation has nothing to do with the investigative hold. And it also has nothing to do with incentivizing the RP. When a good case is open, the detectives work them. People just don't want to be in jail. And you can't force them to be online. You know? It's very hard to conduct that RP with people who don't want to be in that situation from an OOC perspective. Because a good 75% of the time, and that's being generous - I could slap down enough evidence to put a character away for life on an 18 year old, and they're like "Okay fine." It's a mindset issue is what it is.

As someone who still plays a detective? I can tell you the server has 100% not evolved past that. People attempt to PK out of cases all the time. And people still attempt to name change out of cases all the time. The difference is now, they can be punished where as before it wasn't in the rules. You mentioned it should go 3x faster like county jail time. It is designed specifically not to do that to give people time to do their RP. The 48 hour window gives you time to organize getting people online to get to the bottom of the case and find out if it's something that should be prosecutable. Because while in theory, you'd think that the person that's in the 48 hour hold would be doing everything they could to work themselves out of that hold early?\. Mostly what you see is them just not being online for 48 hours, springing from the hold mechanically and acting like nothing happened.

It used to be 72 hours. If I remember right, it was lowered by FM to 48 hours. At that point it's the duty of the LEO's to charge you or let you go. I can't speak for the way they're done in the Sheriff's Department, but in PD - a 48 hour hold must be done with the approval of a Detective or a Supervisor, and there must be some kind of positive traction to keep the hold active. Meaning a Detective must have an open case on the person and is using the time to gather evidence. The reason the 48 hour hold came about was to keep people accessible while the Detectives did their RP, which could take 48 hours or longer to get everything packaged correctly. What was happening was, people were finding out the heat was on and name changing their characters. Obviously now a rule break. At the time it wasn't. And it also curbed the amount of people who would just try and PK out of a casefile on them, which is still an ongoing server issue.

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You've missed everything I've said. And that's fine. I'm sure everything will work as intended. 🙄

Yeah, sure. In theory. In practice? It'll be a void. After wasting people's time.

I'm not arguing the faction part. I'm arguing the whole thing. And what makes you think they won't report and lie to the admin about the lag the way they lied to you about it? And then what? They stall because they're "waiting for an admin" - that's an easy 30-45 minute wait. For what? The admin to give the benefit of the doubt and void it? So now you're down an hour because someone who didn't want to RP it to begin with goes the extra mile to not RP any accountability anyways.

So how does someone driving like an idiot and going "lol lag" do anything for me? That's not holding me accountable for anything. Then what? Report them and further bog down admins? And for what? A void? Come on. You gotta be practical. I'm all for holding people accountable for the way they act. But right now? There isn't the infrastructure for this. Especially - like others have said, with RAGE being as questionable as it is.

Honestly, I think the majority of people who drive like normal don't care about this. Except for one thing. I can drive every way correctly. And then somebody living their life a quarter mile at a time comes tokyo drifting around the corner, slams into me doing 110, goes /b lol lag, skip? and drives off. Or someone spawns their vehicle where mine is, flips it into the stratosphere and it comes auguring back in like a meteor.

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A select few not is a very conservative estimate. We have a rule in place. File a report. They get punished. Done.

Hate to see this go. It was good RP that a lot people can take note from.

I wonder....

That's a name I haven't heard in years.

10/10 "Hey do you guys have a bed time? Cool. Me either."

A lot of people who do that subscribe to the mentality that more is better. So they pile in a lot of over detailed stuff to make things look more technical I guess? I think there's a lot to be said for detailed lines in some situations. But at the same time it can really disrupt the flow of RP. So I would say that unless there is just a scene where everyone is really doing the over the top detailed lines for a scene that is important to everyone there - just save it. But that's my opinion.

passing the 100 page mark nice.