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Name: BingChilling
Comment: The clown never went to the Union neither chose to inform them. That is his fault. The union did not fail to fight for the idiot's rights, he chose to proceed all by himself. Thought he was a pheonix, but got his wings burnt for the rest of his life.
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Name: BingChilling
Comment: How pathetic this so called 'former officer' has to be to go to the news the moment he voluntarily chose to resign? He is a psychopath, not fit to hold this role, and clearly a schizophrenic — these voices in his head telling him how people 'hate' and 'abuse' him. Thank fuck you resigned, thank fuck you ain't ever gonna come back after this shitshow. Good for the department for putting you back in your place when you're acting like a child during serious situations.
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Is that just happens on a GTAW server, or others impact it as well?
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SUBJECT: Oscar Arvelo [1]
Date and Time of incident: 07/APR/2023 1700 HRS
Names of witnesses (if applicable): Not applicable.
Your ingame name: Alex Campbell
Overall Explanation (250 word limit) : Arrived to a property on Americano Way and Sam Austin Drive where an automatic call was made to the police informing us about someone stealing furniture from the house. I arrived within a minute or so, and there was nobody inside the address other than a /cim outside the front door. I reported it to obtain more information from an administrator who handled it, but turned out to be automatic breakin, thus no supervision. I was soon informed by @goddessoflife that the player has disconnected, eliminating all possible roleplay as the house is covered with numerous CCTV cameras which could have been downloaded and reviewed. Nothing else is now known, as the player has disconnected after he involved himself in criminal activity where the police was notified.
Accusation 1 (50 words): 1. Common Courtesy — the player has reportedly broke into a property on Americano Way and Sam Austin Drive to steal furniture. Once the police arrived, the player has disconnected.
Reported Player(s) Who Broke it: Oscar Arvelo
Evidence: I have submitted an in-game report for this and @goddessoflife responded. My report was to allow me to conduct an investigation into a break in, but I was soon informed that the player who broke in disconnected. The evidence is in the logs which have been reviewed by the administrator named above whilst in-game, who is aware of the incident and the circumstances (i.e., break in time, my arrival time and Oscar's disconnect).
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Name: bingchilling
Comment: I can bet my right nut that this case is gonna be thrown out of court due to how abysmal the investigative paperwork will be. Seen it before, will see it again. Only the matter of time. Ivy will walk.
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Name: ARFARFARFBARKBARKBARK
Comment: god so happy this is back, please bring it on again.
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Name: Brrrrrrrrrrr
Comment: @Ohngesicht add this one. Name is Officer Velasco. ((posted from a VPN))
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20 minutes ago, Ohngesicht said:
Name: Donald Gibson
Comment: I need a nameName: Officer Velasco
Comment: Officer Velasco is her name. Add!
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1 hour ago, Wuhtah said:
@dawpi - From what I am seeing in my original post, I did speak a lot about inactive admins. From what I have been seeing so far, it is going to be squashed with terms of inactivity and going on LOAs for months at a time. However, I can't really give any information out right now because it's mid month January and we have two weeks to go. You know yourself how utility reports are usually taken very quickly and RP reports sit there. It's just because RP reports vary - they can take 15 mins, they can take 30 mins or they can take 1 hour. People want to have fun, it's a game, so do administrators. Some admins barely have time to RP. They get home from work, they have a couple of hours, do they really want to spend that 2 hours handling a report from Fred who is screaming and bitching like crazy to Karen who VDM'd him and then don't forget, Fred is going to add onto that Samual and Tina came in and DM'd him 20 mins ago. Yes, that report would be sent to the forums, but there are some hardworking admins who feel bad for sending reports to the forums and do try to help out the players right then and there. Doesn't always work.
Zani and Boots have been fantastic in terms of the administrative side of SM (ASM I will refer to for now on in this post) and have been COMPLETELY understanding in ways that not many ASM were before. SM is on the side of the community, not staff, not player. If a player did wrong and fucked up with an administrator - SM will handle it for a staff report and vice versa. I do believe that they will go far and help the administrative team get their spark back as some of the burn outs are coming back around with a fresh of breath air (not all of them yet).
The lacking of internal illegal dynamics does put a play on things, however, some admins don't quite understand that the report is: Is it DM or not? Can it be proved that it was? Can it be proved that it wasn't? At that point, you're going to be provided evidence, you take it and you decide for yourself if it was DM or not. If the player disagrees, they staff report and they get some fresh eyes to give their opinions on the matter. Not every staff report is bad. That's what were trying to make the admins understand and not be scared to take RP reports even if they don't quite understand. If it is something that is happening constantly, yes, administrative actions will most likely be taken.
Just today, there has been 200 reports so far. According to stats - there are 145 administrators. This includes developers and LC admins. Let's lower that down.
- 3 Management which they do a ton of work outside of the game but still handle reports here and there when they are even able to get ON.
- 5 Lead admins, 1 being LC/LS both, and they are all either heads of a subteam or assistant heads. So, their subteam comes first over in game reports, but they still meet the quota every single month.
- 10 Senior admins - these people are in lead positions within their subteam, so they assist the L4s and also try to meet quota.
- 21 Level Two admins - these people do subteam work and do the quota given.
- 7 Level One admins - these people may or may not be in a subteam and do the quota given.
- 4 TAs - these people cannot do any RP reports by themselves and require an administrative trainer as this is their training phase.
I'm excluding TAs as well as management in this count: 43 administrators.
43 administrators who have different time zones, different jobs, different everything and there's already been 200 reports within the server restart. This is classed as the 'low peak times' as well. Let's round the amount of admins up to 45. 200 divided by 45 is that each admin needs to take 4 reports, some need to take 5. This is just for the morning run. Last month there was about 7000 reports. 7,000 / 43 = 163 reports each which is about 50% more than the minimum quota. There's almost 30 days in each month, divide 163 / 30 = 6 reports a day. Not everyone can get on every day, and if they only have 2 hours per day and let's say each report will take 20 mins (RP ONLY REPORTS BEING COUNTED) 6x20 = 120 minutes which is your entire 2 hours gone.
If we did only 6 reports a day, which doesn't seem like a lot, we would still not answer all reports. Not all 43 admins will be online at least once every single day - that's impossible. So, their 6 reports will move onto another admin's shoulders, and if that admin says "fuck it, I did my 6 and someone else's 6, I'm RPing now) then the admins who were offline has their 6 onto the other admins who feel the same way as the first admin who has done 12 reports in a day (RP REPORTS ONLY AGAIN).
So, when you're complaining about reports not being taken (rightfully so sometimes), take this outlook into view.
I believe the forums for /break-in requests has been forwarded for review by management, I will ask when the staff meeting comes up how far we've come on that. We're also in the talks of perhaps getting a forum board specifically for reports that involve log searching - CCTV, etc. Some admins can't get in game to handle those types of reports, but do not mind doing it when a player comes to their DMs about it.
I'll also ask in the staff meeting about the take in self voiding. If two people get into a car accident and do not require any items spawned in by admins, perhaps we can make it so you guys don't need admin intervention and lower the report count down a bit.
Apologies if I didn't address everything, you wrote a lot, dawpi.
Thank you for your response. I don't think no rational person expects the activity to be dealt with straight away, as some of us are just getting back onto our feet after the holidays, but hopefully more of the attention will be paid to it as we tuned into the new year. I am absolutely with you on the part where some administrators want to roleplay, and those nasty reports can take an unknown amount of time — in turn people opt-out and prioritize those which are easy to deal with, while others are sat there. Been there, done that myself, and an administrator would be lying if they said 'no, I've never done this'.
DM reports are the nastiest ones and will always be, but as you mentioned that it is up for an administrator to really interpret the rules the way they are written and determine whether a rule is broken or not. It is much easier said than actually done, again, been there myself and seen a lot of others going through the same. Probably one of the biggest reason why it will continue to be this way is just because whenever you see 'ah shit, this is big' you immediately want to vomit inside your mouth and move onto the next one — a report is a statistic, whether it is DM or a combat log. I've seen it being the focus myself. I am not blaming anybody or want to shift blame to anyone, but that is the reality with big reports — nobody wants them because they are;
- A headache to deal with, especially if it involves a lot of people.
- They consume a lot of your time as an administrator trying to read and understand what people say.
- You keep on seeing the same people breaking the same rules, and it becomes redundant.
I know this has been a thing for a while, but I like to see how TAs partner up with another administrator (usually who supervises them) and they both work together through it, so having more than one mind from the very beginning can be helpful whilst looking into different areas of the report and eventually coming together, especially for those larger reports. Hopefully, however, like you mentioned people start taking an initiative and understand that not every staff report is a bad report, and not every decision on a report is necessarily the wrong one.
There will never be enough administrators to handle all of the reports, whether they are forum or in-game reports, and we have to live with it, there is no way to otherwise dispute that. Regardless of what sector you look at, there will always be shortage of people; people leave and then reinstate, others come in to replace them and so on. I feel like it is always easy to put approximate numbers on the blank piece of paper, but then there is one report that does your head in and all you wanna do is just bash your head against the wall and cry while listening to Taylor Swift — so statistics automatically get thrown out the window. But then again, it'd be nice to see everyone contribute, just because the numbers on paper look kinda hot. 🥵
I don't know if it being directed at me, I am yet to complain about a report not being taken — I guess it is something you realize when you have been on both sides of the isle; as a player and as an administrator you understand how challenging it is to see the /reports section flooded with the most random and complicated reports, but then at the same time you came in-game because you have an In-Character meeting with your faction — now you gotta choose!
The self-voiding would be a great addition, as long as there is some sort of criteria made up. For example, that one of the parties did not incur a financial loss or gain, that there are no needs for refunds and so on — like you said, as long as administrator's intervention can be avoided and possibly kept to the very basic minimum.
Thank you very much,
dawpi.
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6 hours ago, Tangsta said:
People gotta stop reporting every time they get killed. Like, get over it and move on. Stop overloading report section with deaths everyday.
Very easy to say, yet once we say that — we are also the ones to smash the report section with player reports against our own killers.
Sounds good on paper and in this thread, does not work in reality. Whenever your character dies, you lose your 'memory' in relation to what led to your death, you lose items that you had on you prior to your death, you respawn at the hospital and start your day again. Nobody wants that, and some of the shootings I have seen and been involved in? Absolutely clear as a day deathmatchings — people do could not care less for even coming up with a reason to shoot, or there is one, but extremely poor (i.e., he hit my car — pew pew AK shots fired). It takes a good time to sometimes grind and earn some of the things you can lose upon death, so yes, people are absolutely in the right to seek refund and have players who are here not to actually roleplay have them reported.
People who come in here to purposely break rules should be punished, and there are many. If it's accidental or whatever? Not hard to reach out to the other person, but again, if the complainant believes that a rule was broken, they should have a right to have it investigated by the administration team, and if we don't? Might as well just remove DM out. Rule breaks should be punished, not slapped on the back of their hand.
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Trees were pretty cool looking, but so was the old dawpi. I actually dislike continuity being on a wiki, I know it's more compact and easier to find, but absolutely hate it compared to how it was on the thread.
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I think this has to be the only ever general discussion threat I read through, all 13 pages and I will never get that time back, but lets bark (ARF ARF) on this matter from both sides of the isle.
If we look back, there always has been the issue of 'not having enough administrators on duty to handle the reports for the playerbase in-game at the time', I don't know if I am dreaming or just became delusional over time, but I have seen similar threats before, and the creator is absolutely hitting the nail on the head. It is always easy to say 'admins should really pull their weight' — dealing with someone else's problems and issues sometimes can take 3 minutes, and then the next report you take, even after 2 hours of sitting in the same spot, you're just barely dipped your toe into the whole situation and end up sending it to the forums. Sometimes it does not matter how much weight a team can pull, there will always be reports to answer. One week it is much slower, but then the next week you constantly have dozens of reports in-game that you have to deal with, sometimes they are redirected to the forums without even taking a look in-game, just so the roleplay can continue from that point onward — and yes, some people just decide to 'pause it all now, I made a report to the administrators' type beat.
I liked the response @Wuhtah provided, and there were too many to really read, but the very first one (third one from the start). I do hope that what she said will be acted upon and that sctrictness will be enforced, because it hasn't been. Sure, you don't meet the basic numbers — you will know that at the end of the month, but nobody will bust your balls for it (if you have them, that is). One month, two months, three months... it used to go on and on. I think when it comes to DM reports, as @Wuhtah mentioned, it is not the training that really does it, or rather makes administrators to avoid it (including me, when I was one), but rather the lack of understanding of internal illegal faction dynamics. Never understood it, probably never will. Sometimes the escalation was so borderline, but when you look into the history between people, and the history would never be told by the reporting party or the reported party, but rather I'd have to drag IFM in just to get the most basic 'history' lesson on a group or a gang, those guys actually know way too much. We tend to see the same names picking up those DM reports just because they aren't afraid to ask others, they aren't afraid to inquire and aren't afraid to sometimes make a mistake, even if the decision in the end is overturned.
But then again, @Wuhtah highlights something that sat with me for months — being burnt out. Imagine, you come into the game to play. You see there are 20 reports, people are roleplaying or it is early for the normal peak hours, and so you handle one report. That one report took you an hour and a half, and yes, you were in-game. Do you really want to even roleplay anymore? And that report was just a headache, people lying, trying to lie like their actual life depends on it and if they don't lie — they will lose a kidney. Yes, I had those. And this is a very big aspect of the administration team, how to get that burn out go away — you cannot, it is just working on yourself. It does not matter how many TAs you take in, it does not matter how many people handle reports, at the end of the day there will be people falling out, there will be people going away and reports will be once again full. We all, and I speak for myself, had that moment when we were 'oh, I'll clean all reports' — aha, three months in you barely want to look at one.
There are also so many things we could trust community with, but we cannot for obvious reasons. Numerous mentions of /breakin. I am absolutely in support having this administrator approved only thing, otherwise sh*t will hit the fan. They take time, they take administrators away from actual reports, but it has to be done. Time and time again I have seen, and investigated myself for 7 hours a player's breakin who again, lied consistantly to try and avoid the logs. Wasted my time, wasted the time of those people who had reports in-game — can't blame it on the administrators, though. It's the lack of common courtesy in some of the players here, which is disappointing, but it is true! Again, I will look like a stalker, but I did like @Wuhtah's idea with the forum submissions when it comes to /breakin. I think this may be something worth pushing up the chain and have it discussed, because on paper it seems logical and easy to understand, and heck it, if I could — I'd take it, and schedule it whenever I am home in a heartbeat. But then again, I have seen breakins where not even guns or drugs are the target, yes, they are valuable, but people stole dildos (and there were many of them) and other valuables.
I skipped the part where this thread became a 'I complain about bans and the punishments' part, so I will leave that one out.
I think a good point made by @Murat as well, a green name does look good. There are a lot of genuine people, and people who are willing to take an extra step and walk three extra miles just to make this community a better place, but there are those who are just there... for the different colour in their name, and that is sad. It is always easy for us, people who aren't administrators to judge, but that has always been a thing, and we all have seen it. We know who are active, we know who we see handle our reports, and sometimes we all wish (not all, but those who want to do good) that we could switch shoes and help them handle those reports, but we can't. People should also be accountable for their actions and their disinterest, which hopefully will change following @Wuhtah's very first post on this threat.
It'd also be nice if some people actually solve their issues themselves, because it is possible. Yes, if you see a rule break you can report it if you'd like, but nothing stops you from saying 'Hi, I'm dawpi, can I talk to you about earlier today when I think you DMed me?' and take it from there. You don't have to throw slurs at someone straight away, you don't have to call them names — just tell them that you think it is a rule break, try get a common resolution. You need it to be voided? Put a report in saying 'I want X voided' and have an administrator approve it, as both parties agreed — no point investigating further (unless there's like a trilliong dollar refund, we know you scam). But I do hope what @Wuhtah has said, and mentioned @Adv on numerous occasions, that those changes are actually rolled out and not simply 'pushed for discussion with management' — because I have experienced it with previous team, and hopefully this time it will change. OK, I just had to kill some time so I vomited this out.
Thank you very much,
dawpi
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4 minutes ago, Kenth said:
Rocky! He's the best boy there is.
Oh my... We know where this is going...
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Absolutely, I'd like to see this being added, it'd alert people in advance of what may need maintenance instead of waking up to a red wrench and oop, too late.
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@leonnzzz what if you use command /surgery? This used to be old command to open the old UI for surgeries?
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2 minutes ago, FatCatTuxedo said:
Unless you want to sit there and categorise every single ID and give every single ID a name also then this will not happen.
I never said it had to happen or has to happen, it's a topic for suggestions, so I threw it out there. I am sure there are always people who are more than happy to help with categorization or otherwise assist the development team in assisting with things as long as shown how to do it and what exactly to do, which I think would be a much greater exploration and consideration instead of 'if you want to sit and do X, Y and Z, else it doesn't happen' being put forward.
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In all honesty, I'd love to see the rework of the whole UI to make it more available for smaller details. I mean, I don't know how it works and how many things on a singular body part a player can have, but having a friendlier UI instead of numbers from 0-600 on certain things would be cool.
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I'd advise you to carry this over to discord since that's where people are more active, and are more readily available. Reach out to a member of support or an administrator to see if that account does even exist and what it shows to them on UCP. If the issue still persists, you may have to escalate to web developers or Nervous himself. I know it has happened to someone in the past, but was handled by passing them through application and got to play the game again.
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17 hours ago, Smudge said:
Yes, sadly.
Kenth: I have a pretty good internet connection, never faced internet lag. I've tried everything, It's only that one UI that wont show.
Do other UIs show for you? Any others that may not show? Like phones, clothing stores?
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I am surprised we've managed to keep this on topic for this long.
In all seriousness, there were some great points provided within the discussions relating to forum reports, those who handle them and the imbalance between some of them and the administrators. I do hope that some of that will be taken in, hopefully as the shift happened within the administrative staff management, some of those things will be taken into account if (hopefully) the system is reworked, altered or otherwise adjusted to fit the current days of the community. I just wanna see what 2023 has in terms of the development, with the 3.0 push there were some epic things that came out, especially with animations where you can sit, move around and so on, kinda poggers.
I'd also like to see dawpi the cat return (we're making it there).
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54 minutes ago, IamHeemedup said:
And do you know what time he wakes up est?
No, I do not follow his schedule. He shows on discord as not online, however, if you message him, he will respond once he can, just remain patient - he has done it to a couple of people in the last couple of days who have had the same issue.
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Whilst this response is not coming from a member of staff, the interpretation of scamming would still fall within your question. At this stage, cloning of a key to get access to someone else's vehicle, and it wouldn't be for permanent ownership, is a grey area. There isn't a rule in writing that says what this would fall under. Technically, you are not depriving someone of their property (in this case, a vehicle) permanently, and you aren't really tricking them into 'giving' the property to you permanently. If you are 'not returning it' as you said - that falls under scamming, as you are permanently depriving someone of it.
It would most definitely be a niche aspect of roleplay made available, and would most definitely be interesting with some sort of a script. I am not aware of any decisions or comments made on this from above either and have kept up with rule changes and the player report section.
I'd advise you to be on the safer side until there is a ruling made by someone in orange to clarify this and go with what the response to your ticket was. Yes, there is roleplay to be explored and experimented with, but at the same time, this is not clarified within the rules of whether 'scamming' means scamming the ownership of the property (requiring the ownership to be transferred to you) or it also applies to things like key scamming.