Kenshi

Yea, dude explained it already, meant to fool security or the likes to get you into places where otherwise you'd be barred. Was never meant to fool law, and they'll quickly debunk those. At best buys you a bit of extra time to think & plan before they get wise.

You to thank for the capybara's?

While I'm sympathetic, it was from my own opinion necessary as a blanket solution. Whilst you yourself are probably one of the more upstanding people out there, for every you, There's about 25-50 shitters who just use masks as a shield to hide behind so they can break rules when there's little to no admin oversight available. Mind you a shit choice, as mask ID's are logged and are easily backtracked. Funny doe how ppl think they're invincible behind them. I'm pretty sure the reply from management or the upper echelons of the admin team was "The no use car for robbery" rule was a blanket approach to an accute problem, as long as that problem remains, so does that rule. You want it removed, start banding together with others in getting these shitters yeeted so that it no longer has to be a blanket rule. I'll call it for the masks aswell. It'll reach a certain point, if it hasn't already where they'll go "Okay, nope. Enough is enough". And do the same for the masks, untill it improves, if ever. I'd much rather have it be an IC ruling, brought forward like what we're doing for the shit tier driving (Despite it already being watered down significantly) and you'll see a noticeable effect. But even that runs into the same problem as before, that IFM or LFM have to sign off on it. And chances of either or both signing off on that to become an IC rule I don't forsee happening.

This. Zero consequences besides "Oh no, I lost my shit I had on me.".

Speed radars who give out tickets would work, except they'll just screw the plates off (Which you can ingame) Broke a new record last night, a buffalo STX going down rockford at a staggering 160 plus. Good luck lol.

Funnily enough most people I find are attracted to an SAHP based faction are the die hard traffic enforcers who if given the choice would rather focus on their core aspect that is traffic enforcement or hell, any other type of call that involves RP, over shooty shooty bang bang. (And I have seen them do so on numerous occasions, where the 5th shots fired call gets made, and everyone starts flying onto, they're the ones that go "No thanks", realize there's a boatload of people already going to it, and instead go to any of the other outstanding calls that provides way more roleplay than rolling the dice on wether or not something's going to get voided after wasting 15-30 minutes of your time chasing the shooter who ends up doing something monumentally dumb.) Of those people that I know who share that same enthousiasm that have leadership experience, each and every one of those vehemently opposed any notion of a doorkickers team. Wanting to focus solely on vehicle-based policing. Pursuit specialists, commercial enforcement, auto theft, etc.. All area's of policing that are woefully understaffed or outright can't be given the proper level of attention due to other, more pressing concerns. End of the day, whilst we're veering a bit off-topic. Most of the issues that we're originally all chaffing our collective nuts at, CAN be solved ICLY by lawmakers. The only problem is that this issue is taken OOC by the admin team, be it LFM or IFM that have to rule on these things. And LFM and IFM typically tend to contain admins that are rather... passionate about representing. I mean this without disrespect, or a jab at anyone in particular. But this was another great example, where we had an IC reaction to this issue in particular in the form of very strict law changes, harsher penal codes pertaining to these that with time, would curb this problem to the point where it's a significant improvement over what we have now. But unfortunately, those passionate people feel that those very hard and strict penal code changes would be a detriment to the server and it's playerbase and demanded those be watered down. Which defeats the purpose entirely. So whilst there's already a bill being drafted to adress this issue, as usuall it'll lack the teeth necessary to make any meaningfull change. Unfortunate.

Yeah, although reckless driving is typically something that traffic officers go after rather than patrol officers, because it requires proper articulation in arrest reports how exactly someone was reckless. It's why you'll typically find traffic officers posted up in ways where if they catch you, it's for more than just the speed. Vespucci Boulevard's a great example. They'll set up in a way that if you're blowing through there at mach-jezus, you're not going to be stopping at every intersection. 110 mph down vespucci is a stretch to call reckless without proper articulating. But 110 mph down vespucci, along with running 3 intersections, all of which are essentially blind intersections where you can't properly see traffic comming from either sides unless you drive slow, is far easier to justify as reckless driving. Having it all on dashcam is the neat little cherry on the cake. The problem is that reckless driving is only 1 hour in jail. If you're staying online that turns into 20 minutes with the 3x time modifier. So, you'll have officers still writing up the finishing touches on the paperwork before they're already back out onto the street. That does a number to the motivation. The problem with making it an IC issue, is that for laws like this to be changed and more strict, it needs to go through LFM/IFM I'll keep my personal opinions on LFM & IFM aside, as that's an entirely different topic on it's own. But unfortunately, they need to approve law changes like these. And more often than not, they'll ask to water things down before they'll approve them. Even this bill (which is a monumental step forward already, having it in the senate to begin with) had to be watered down slightly already.

@Price Any more info on wether this welcoming job is going to be able to be done by people already in official factions and ifso, how well those can be combined? Is there going to be a quota or are you going to be able to just freely reach out whenever you choose? If you've got someone new who's interested in doing LEO RP, and you're an LEO, are you able to use your faction acess to properties & stuff to showcase stuff to them? I.E Show them the police stations, where they go, more faction-specific stuff? Likewise for someone interested in medical RP like LSFD or pillbox medical people? Are those people for example going to be able to select options like "I'm new to roleplay and want a generalized tour" aswell as "I'm a new/somewhat experienced/veteran RP'er and I'm already leaning towards a specific kind of RP." I.E. Can someone who is already pre-disposed towards a certain type of RP go "Hmm.. I'm pre disposed to crip RP/surreno RP/asian gang/organized crime" and get in touch with a "helper" who's already in that specific area of RP? Stuff like this I'm curious about. How far does this extend. Program wise.

The funny thing is I can throw someone in jail for going 120 down vespucci, blowing my side mirrors off in the process, runnning 4 intersections. And he'd be out before the paperwork's done printing. Extra funny if they plea no contest, contest, and then get charges dropped cause the judge goes "What do you mean going mach 3 down vespucci whilst running 4 intersections and narrowly missing a patrol car is reckless?!" The only people who still go after traffic offenses are the actual traffic folks in PD (And SD? I think?) and even then, there's only a select few willing to throw the book, because the book is poorly defined, open to interpretation or just plain lacking. the max fine for speeding only goes up to 7.5k and you need to be caught 3 times before you'll start getting that number in fines. Drop in a pond considering the people who do end up getting caught 3 times are the ones driving cars worth half a mil. You could make the fines 50k per time you get caught. People just do what they do now, and just not pay them. Cause there's zero oversight. Courts don't actively keep track of fines being paid or not. Cops do. And it's up to cops to "Alert" the courts and go "Hey courts, this guy hasn't paid his fines." However for whatever reason, some smart potato decided "The current 3 days to pay fines is way, way to short. I shall instead make it so they have a whole 28 days to not pay their fines." So you can't do anything for a month, and by the time the month's passed. You'll have already forgotten about this, because time doesn't stop & neither does your workload. Take the approach of seasoned traffic coppers. They'll put themselves in a position where they can nail you for reckless driving without too much effort. You again need to be caught 3 times before you start experiencing license suspensions or impounds. And even then. Those same people who get caught and now lost their elegy for 4 days, still have a retro commet, a sunrise, and a sultan RS in their garage. Not to worry! If they hop into either one of those, they'll be caught for driving on a suspended license! Yeah, except for the fact that the jail time for that specificly is 45 minutes. Considering jail time goes down 3x faster if you're online. They're, again, out before the paperwork is well & truly done. If they're unlucky they'll have lost that car aswell. And still have another 2 laying around. Like I said. No teeth in the penal code. Leading to a laissez-faire attitude, leading to what we have now.

Imho, approach it from both an IC & OOC angle. thurough review of the traffic section of the penal code and give it some actual teeth. Hit people where it hurts. Financially and make it as annoying as possible. Start with actual revocations of licenses. Currently there's not a single crime in the penal code that allows you to outright revoke a license. Significantly hike up fines & prison time for traffic offenses. Permanent seizure of vehicles used repeatedly to break the sound barrier within the city. Losing a 200-400k car is going to hurt alot more than a 10k ticket. At the same time, come at it from an OOC perspective on the administrative side. And I'm sure you'll start seeing changes.

I believe some people from PD's traffic team went to their congressman with the question to review the traffic laws as it's currently laughably easy, and there's no real deterrent. There is zero counterplay to people in sunrises and STX's that are fully tuned up. Even the new souped up utilities that were handed out to PD & SD don't hold a candle to them. The idea was that enough evidence would be gathered to either A. Go after the driver if the driver was known, or B. Go after the car and have the car seized permanently. Furthermore it expanded on drivers licenses having a points system a la LSRP if anyone here still remembers them. Where you'd have a 3-strike policy in terms of warnings. Once a 3rd warning on the license was given, car gets impounded, license revoked which means you'd have to wait 7 days IRL before you'd be able to re-do your drivers test and get a new license. That same revocation status was applied to serious traffic offenses, so if you were busted going 120 miles per hour down vespucci as many do and you got caught, you'd not only go to jail, you'd have the car impounded for 7-14 days, license revoked for 7 days and a 25.000$ fine thrown at you. With a clause in effect if you evaded from police in a high performance vehicle, the evading charge would essentially double in terms of time, impound & fine. The current fines max out at 20k for most of em. For a mallrat that's pocket change. Current penal code lacks teeth in every sense of the word. Attempts were made from our side to take it IC, but unfortunately it needs to come from the legislative side. And it's been pretty quiet from their side sadly.

Looking at how punishments are handed out, and having been in a server that straight up perm banned you with zero remorse if you were caught lying to admins.

You make references to coverages, premium plans, etc but I don't seem to find those anywhere. Can those be posted here?

Could always have the 48 hour hold take place in prison instead of a police station. Doesn't make much sense realism wise, but the prison is big enough it can house a temporary hold section. We put people in prison for less than 2 days that the investigative hold takes. That way there might be more possibility for roleplay. Interaction with CO's. The hold is secure enough. If the suspect contacts anyone it'll have to be through a jail phone which is tapped. Through lettering which is checked, or through a snuck in phone, which got there through means of RP. We send literally everything else up to prison anyway. Might aswell go all the way. Possible solution?

@Viscaria The consequences of your characters action should not be mitigated just because it inconveniences you OOCLY. There's other games that meet that goal. But for an RP server that is literally meant to be as realistic as possible, you can't have it so that you can skate through murder & mayhem without suffering the consequences if you fail. Wether that's busted, or killed. God forbid your character undergoes any sort of character development because they got their ass handed to them, or things didn't go their way.. Where is the appeal in having a character that is 100% succesfull all day, every day, at all times. Never faces any adversary, always gets what they want. And can get away with anything without any fear of failure or repercussions? Inconveniences are part of the story. They give meaning. If you pull off a succesfull evade from police during a chase, it'll have that more meaning knowing if they DID bust your ass, you'd be spending a few days in jail.