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    "Snitching" Clarification or Modification

    in Rule Suggestions

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    Snitching isn't a black and white thing, as civilians can also be snitches, depending on the circumstances. Every thing is circumstantial in accordance to the conditions of the situation.  The case listed in the original post isn't snitching, as they were random targets, not locals in a hood of codes/rules or a civilian associated with the mob (which are civilian, as they simply are either related or close to mob members without being directly involved with their activities).

    how not to get shot and killed in Davis

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    49 minutes ago, D-Kay said:

    Davis is like LA's Comtpon, stay out of it if u dont belog there.

    Compton is paradise compared to Davis. Compton's a huge tourist attraction, with many being able to walk down the sidewalk without any repercussion. It's more-so "mind your own business" and don't wear specific team jerseys or hats when traversing through Compton.

    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    2 minutes ago, Havana said:

     

    What I'd like to add as well..and I don't think anyone else has bought this up is how people influence single player locations as OOC influence to XYZ area. Yes Sandy Shores is most likely home to a redneck population, but more so its a food bowl population of farmers, hunters and people that live off the land. I'm from Australia and I felt very safe in inner-state California when I travelled in 2019 versus anywhere around Venice.

    Most of them would probably be underpaid Hispanic migrants labouring within the fields for Caucasian land-owners, with African-Americans more than likely working in factories. The rednecks aren't super-friendly to every colored person that they encounter, but it isn't outright racism. The racism is more-so systematic or low-profile.

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    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    6 minutes ago, Havana said:

    This is one hell of an interesting thread. I've been here two months on the server and its quite the eyebrow raiser to how many people are throwing around racist and bigotry insults without really any implication or purpose. Yesterday I watched a guy being beaten up by tattooed gangsters (god knows what faction they we're apart of) because he looked like a 'faggot', and he was standing outside of a bar with about ten other people watching along.

     

    I'll never understand why people's first thoughts to any roleplay scenario is pure escalation of violence or to hurl insults, its extremely unrealistic and doesn't portray to how people act in a remote community, or in this case of this thread, Sandy Shores. You can often assume from someone's decision when they RP if they've been in a similar scenario IRL or not, and I'd bet heavily against that the hicks, skin-heads or whatevers in SS are people that haven't experienced true country life or something close to inner state California. 

     

    Players that intentionally cause violence without intention or purpose to someone that is clearly passive should have the hammer put down on them. "He looks like he's trouble" isn't valid. If you're roleplaying a murderous cult that pickup hitchhikers to feed them to bears - that's different with a purpose. Hitting someone with a bat because they're in your zone or walking through isn't. 

    It's almost as-if people weren't really raised in U.S. society or were even involved in areas that actually had high-levels of crime, but base it off of small cases of crime reports, movies, and TikTok videos.

    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

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    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    39 minutes ago, twinn said:

    I don’t disagree with you, but does it warrant them being attacked everywhere they go and not being able to roleplay in peace? As soon as they were called crackers its like they activated Jim Crow laws on Stab City.

     

    and since we’re name dropping, when our characters were called the hard r’s, we fought back and then ‘PDS MEMBER WAYNE PLATT’ decided to call us provokers in faction chat. U cant even fight back against this…..

    The way I see it, after that first brawl? Both sides would have to remain in their boundaries. Personally, my char would not step foot into a bar if he kept hearing racial slurs being tossed out, as he spent 13 years sitting at the black table. Unsure of the whole situation, but it just wouldn't make sense for other sides to traverse into each other's territories to escalate it further, unless they wanted to escalate it further. All depends on the character.

    I wouldn't state that Sundown Laws or Jim Crow laws are realistic for a town such as Sandy, but, then again... it's not like we actually have diverse progressive characters having control over a town, do we. It's ran by MCs and Peckerwoods. 

    It's a fine-line between "realism" and "IC actions lead to IC results". Personally, though, I've had P.O.C. characters within county. Black Car-affiliated character was hiding within Grapeseed for 8 entire months (due to warrants) with zero issues because he laid low and respected the people who inhabited the area. He didn't want heat and he didn't want trouble, even though he was a hardened ex-gang-banger with homicides on his record. Native-Char understood boundaries and didn't escalate any thing on their territory, having zero issues with the local Peckerwoods in the area. Did either characters respect them? No. Did either characters respect the boundaries? Yes.

    In small towns, people don't forget any thing. Same with hoods. If you make one mistake that leads to escalation? The locals of any given area will remember it. Hence, it's a gray area in terms of escalation. At that point, I'd just not show my char's face in the area.

    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    5 minutes ago, twinn said:

    The story I was told is that it was completely provoked by the other side and the others just continued and fought back as they should.

     

    Does someone calling you crackers allow you, an official faction, to provoke them everywhere you see them and force brawls and then paint them bad on the forums because of their ‘bad portrayal’…

     

     

    That diversity in the county is coming very 🔜 😀

    As someone who doesn't RP with the White Car or their affiliates, in all fairness, calling a group of hardened criminals "crackers" in their own territory warrants a brawl just as someone spouting the N-Word would warrant a brawl. 

    I've had Native-American characters interact with these same people and had never underwent any negative repercussions for it simply because "mutual respect", despite being potentially against each other on a larger scale, is often recognized to ensure that both sides can co-exist peacefully, despite tensions. 

    Tossing the word "Cracker" and "N-Word", to start, isn't the best route to go without expecting consequences, no matter the situation, especially when either sides may have underwent racial tensions within TTCF or SASP.

    I don't understand the whole story, though, but just tossing out that throwing racial slurs, when there's already pre-existing racial tensions, will always warrant a brawl.

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    Allow players to rob 24/7 stores without admin supervision.

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    On 4/12/2024 at 6:45 AM, parkin lot pimpin said:

    I've missed SO MANY chances to rob a 24/7 store because it typically takes admins over two hours to respond to my robbery report, and by then, the store's already closed. This has happened countless of times and it just leaves us sitting in a car with a thumb up our bums for 1-2+ hours and having to pretend IC like we aren't waiting for an admin to show up, and then having to leave because the store ended up closing down.

     

    I've probably filed about TEN robbery reports so far and only TWO have been accepted throughout my experience. That's a 20% rate of actually getting your report accepted, to put that into perspective. You're going to be sitting outside and wasting over an hour of your precious time, for nothing. I'm sure there's many of you out there who empathizes with me on this issue.

     

    Admins generally don't like to pick up these type of reports because they'd rather pick up the easier ones. That's natural.

     

    What I suggest is to develop some sort of script similar to /rob where you can rob a store without admin intervention, and maybe leave a cooldown timer per store to avoid any frequent hits? A 2 day timer on the specific store that was hit, for instance. To clarify, if you rob the Davis LTD store, nobody else can rob it for 2-3 days, but they can rob another store that hasn't been robbed and put on cooldown.

     

    On top of that, you could also make it obligatory for the robber to save a full recording of the heist. 

    "To clarify, if you rob the Davis LTD store, nobody else can rob it for 2-3 days, but they can rob another store that hasn't been robbed and put on cooldown."

    How would others be aware that they cannot rob it for 3 days? Would they run in there, do /robstore, and then get a message pop up? It'd be challenging to run in there, type in that command, and then be like "/b oops void I wasn't here as I can't rob the place" only for people to claim "/b Only admins can void a scene".

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    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

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    1 hour ago, Dimitri Milkovich said:

    Damn. Reading this is disappointing. I was planning on having my char in the county, but I guess some people just want conflict for conflicts sake. Is this GTA RP, or GTAO with a little bit of Roleplay sprinkled in? Cause...the amount of slaps on the wrists and BS escalation scenes are getting a bit much.

    You're presumptions are pretty accurate. "Heavy RP" became "Medium-Light" by late 2021.

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    The Mask Epidemic

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    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    2 hours ago, Product Of My Environment said:

     

     

    Here we go again. For the 100th time, on the 100th thread, there is someone comparing real life Los Angeles to a parody city video game designed solely to allow the player to kill, rob, steal and cause havoc for the fun of it.

     

    It's almost as if Grand Theft Auto is a game solely developed and produced for the purpose of killing, robbing, stealing and overall causing a bunch of bad shit. Almost as if South Central is developed in such a way that invites people in story mode and online to kill rob and murder... oh wait, it is. 

     

    More crime in a specific area does not mean that the game is shying away from realism. How do you stop a large playerbase within the gang community to share such a small part of the map and not run in to eachother? Los Angeles is obviously larger than Los Santos, so there are less run ins. I don't see your point? 

     

    Please stop comparing your roleplay to real life. It's cringe. We can never replicate the real life element of it. For those in the gang community that stick to the rules and want to have fun, your complaining only brings a bad name to it. Just be a little more understanding of the resources the game gives to the gang community instead of trying to force the 1:1 narrative on people. 

     

     

     

     

    Don't think it's about the 1:1 narrative, here. It's the idea that even if you scaled L.A. to L.S., the scaling is beyond excessive. It's not even 1:20 or 1:100 with the crime rate. I listed the stats, above, on a server that was initially a Heavy RP serve that valued realism and immersion. Back when we had 100 players, the crime wasn't scaled down by 6. Now that we usually have around 600, it hasn't been amplified by 6, but amplified by 100s. The standards of realism and immersion have shifted, incredibly, and this is why people address these issues. I use to RP in the gang community, heavily, back in 2019-2021. Still have a character that's evolved as a former ex-gang member. I'm familiar with the situation, and it's still beyond excessive. 

    Real life gangs can literally undergo decades at war with one another, but, on here, it is simply excessive. Certain opposing sets exist down the road from each other, in real life L.A., yet their wars last years. Gang RP, on this server, use to have higher standards without needing rules to govern us.

     

    Even on the note of scaling, you'd think that the level of reports would be amplified by 6 when the server went from 100 to 600. It's been amplified way larger than that. It is an issue of RP quality and standards (and that's just RP standards for the server, not just South Central).

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    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    6 hours ago, Vash Baldeus said:

    1. Respect, has to be mutual, what I mean by that you don't know someone? You give them the basic respect of being polite, you do not have to trust them since you just met them, but common courtesy is a thing.

    2. Talking back in disrespecting manner to someone new you meet as the new kid on the block will cause the other party to take action against you.

    In all fairness, I agree with #1 on a real-life basis, but in any environment in-which a criminal organization claims territory? They'll question an unfamiliar face, with less-organized groups being a little more passive-aggressive (or straight up aggressive during war-time) than organized ones. I.E. Being in unfamiliar territory of a Blood/Crip gang or Skinhead Gang won't lead to the most friendliest encounter, as they tend to press semi-aggressively. Same can apply with county, depending on the group. I don't get the most friendliest encounters when entering real-life biker bars or establishments outside of the city, due to my skin tone... negative stares, off-the-side remarks etc... the one thing that I don't do, though, is make sarcastic remarks or act like I run the place. I've seen a lot of civilians act incredibly rude or sarcastic around crime groups, ICly, and then they wonder why their place gets torched down, overtime.

    Same applies to illegal RP, as-well, so it's not one-sided... just lack of fear and respect in different cases.

    I mean, if a business owner's first reaction to any situation is to call 911 or trespass gangs from their property, instead of maybe respecting that they are established within their territory, then these issues would less likely escalate.

    Struggling as a Black American role player in GTAW

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    4 hours ago, PrinceCane said:

    To be real, black roleplay needs more support, not only through suppliers but also for community roleplay. I always love to see quality content coming from the black RP scene, and I've seen it in some other factions myself, but at the end of the day, there's always going to be bad in every category and ethnic scene of roleplay that will sometimes mask the actual quality and potential a group or concept has.

     

     

    Not even trying to hate, but when people attempted to set up churches, rehabilitation programs, and organizing groups? Just lead to hostility. On the first day of creating a pastor character, my character was murdered for sitting at the desk of the Strawberry Church. A Narcotics Anonymous organizer was extorted towards aiding a group with supplying narcotics within prison, despite them lacking the ability to do so, combined with a Davis High staff member having their home raided. You witness clerks at the L.T.D. attempting to boost "community engagement" only to get shanked to death over nothing. 

    It's hard to create a community when these communities undergo severe levels of hostility for simply existing. I'd just like to add that the cases, listed above, lead to zero back-talk or escalation on the "community" side of things. It just simply happened.

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    Why is everyone in Sandy pushing people away by trying to enforce dominance?

    in General Discussions

    Posted · Edited by DLimit

    My char's had very minor passive-aggressive hostility (as a hippie), but nothing serious. My word of advice, though? Unsure as to whether you're doing this, but it's always good to show a combination of fear and respect, depending on your character, to the established groups in the area. After all, you're just one person over an entire gang. Overtime, they may respect or protect you if your portrayal is up to standards. First encounters are mostly going to be some-what aggressive, as they need to "know" your character before respecting your character.

    I've seen reports of people whipping out guns in front of teens of gang-bangers, rude/attitude and backtalk etc... and then getting upset that these established long-term criminal groups retaliated with ferocity.

    Once again, I'm not familiar with the details, but if you feel that they've poorly escalated anything? Report it.

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