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How'd you feel about the addition of legal semi-auto rifles?


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I just find it silly that illegal guns are far more extensive when realistically speaking most "illegal" guns are ones that were attained from legal owners or purchased legally through shady means. To the people complaining about "mall rats" (Is this 2014 LSRP lol?) need to take a hard look at the root of the problem. The fact that most people in general are too quick to kill. ESPECIALLY illegal roleplayers that don't have any sort of conscious or fear of their own lives. My state has fairly easy access to these guns. You know why they aren't getting used all the time? Because they're bulky as hell, the ammo is expensive, loud and tend to not be carried around anyways. If someone is gonna get you on the go its gonna be with a PISTOL. If you run up on someone's house? You might get shot by a 5.56 but its more likely you're gonna eat a shotgun. 

 

What people also ignore is the opportunity to specifically have different calibers for these guns because that is how they are in real life. Many of the "assault rifles" are just hunting rifles that've been built to model after an assault weapon. It's a cosmetic style. You can get anything from a .22, .308 to a 5.56. Obviously the 5.56 ones cost much more. 

 

The solution is to punish trigger happy people in general and really you're going to have a hard time justifying using a full sized rifle to attack in most circumstances. The "civilians" that use them against other people tend to either be spree killers or people that just got into a situation at home. So, how about the actual behavior is regulated that is very easy to see happen in lieu of blanket banning stuff. One actually raises the standard while the other just lets it remain low with other ways to do poor RP. 

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6 hours ago, Phiz said:

Heavily against this, there's already an overflow of unrealistic PF usage "warranting" civilian characters to get into large shootouts which realistically they should never think to be a part of with common fear for their lives. Time and time again I see firearms (more often than not PF's) be used to settle common disputes which could easily be solved through an old fashioned fistfight or even a verbal argument, adding PF rifles would only add to the unrealistic aspect of this. Even though some people could very well use PF rifles in a realistic manner, the potential for abuse is just far too high with the current, lenient PF application system. As mentioned before, rifles are readily available for the people that take the time to seek them out IC.

Easy way to combat any issues with not letting said rifles is to put some restrictions in place to make sure they're given to the right people. The only arguments against people being able to legally buy and own rifles is worrying about someone who'll just grab a PF license willy nilly and start acting like they're in a militia or some crap, or go do something stupid like get insulted by one individual and then go shoot up an entire house full of people because of it. Which can already be done with what's available anyway.

 In my personal opinion, the best approach is to put restrictions on it and maybe even have it create more roleplay through said restrictions? MAYBE make it so if someone wants a rifle they need a different license on top of a PF, and there needs to be I don't know, IC means of requiring it on top of some sort of test / exam? Imagine if you had to meet a few  basic IC / OOC requirements just to apply, then said person had to show up in-character, at a gun store to show that they are competent and understand rifles and weapons in general. From general firearm safety to knowing about weapon jams, malfunctions, accidental and negligent discharges, and so on. Which said information can be something supplied to gun store owners and those who are employeed at said stores. Which means for someone to know what they're going to be tested on, they have to go learn the material, in-character, at a gun store. That provides a CRAP ton of roleplay for gun stores, ON TOP of the roleplay that rifles would give everyone in general outside of the stores. The pros massively out-weigh the cons in this situation if implemented properly. You can easily give gun stores a lot more to do other then just selling weapons / attachments. And it brings a lot more roleplay to gun culture in general. Which, for those who don't live in the United States, is a big big big big thing. It brings countless opportunities to build more roleplay, a more realistic atmosphere, and so much more.

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the ones against this suggestion are the ones worried about what the "inexperienced" players will do with it. Although I agree that the inexperienced players from this community will abuse it to some extent, I don't agree that we should restrict these guns. The answer is in the punishment when it comes to rulebreaking, it is not severe, therefore these inexperienced players don't respect it. 

The only counter argument to this suggestion is that rulebreakers won't put their hands on them, restricting rulebreakers won't help with the issue, I agree with your suggestion and rifles should be sold in stores. 

 

A rule breaker will break rules whether it's with a knife, pistol, or fully automatic rifle. It doesn't matter, if you wanna handle the issue properly be harsher with your punishments.

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Allow it, but like other have said it needs to be regulated.

 

I think we're starting to see some really in depth gunstore RP thanks to people like @Gambrino, adding semi-automatic rifles with the new attachments update could spark a really cool personal firearm community. Additionally the new changes to the serial remover supplier role means that this would add additional RP for them.

 

In the past my reservations about allowing legal rifles was never because I had an issue with how many guns are on the street, but because I saw it as a way for people to get rifles without going through the proper amount of RP. Getting a stable supply of firearms or higher caliber weapons should require more RP then just simply knocking off the right house or car. Would that still happen if semi-auto rifles were added? Yes. But I think the majority of weapons would fall into criminal hands through more sophisticated RP driven by the updated supplier role and the weapons attachments system.

 

Additionally, LEO's have received a forensics and ballistics update since the last major change to PF weapons was made. We aren't in the times of when how many bodies were on a weapon was on an honor system. If you use a weapon in a crime and LEO's recover the shells, it's hot. You can't really hide it. This has lead to a lot more weapons being destroyed or tossed after they have been used. Overall, weapons are already cycling through the community pretty quick. An additional source for rifles, especially with the updated supplier role would do more good then harm currently.

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21 hours ago, Gryphboi said:

Y'all acting like a Vespucci Mexican gang didn't get block wiped with AKs over a FB post like a month ago. Illegal RPers are quick to point out that mallrats are gonna be around shooting everyone with their 'PF rifles' but you're doing the same shit in broad daylight over social media posts. Fix your rifle issues first and let legal RPers worry about their own.


PF license abuse is bad enough as it is, rifles are not impossible to get already through illegal ways. By adding it to gun stores, you will soon have people making throwaway characters with the sole purpose of racking up rifles and selling them illegally. Also, if you're gonna make the argument, "illegal rper bad, please focus on urself, don't involve urself with our issues!!!", then there's no point of having discussions like this. Instead of having this mindset, everyone's opinion should be heard, legal roleplayer or not.

Only way I can see rifles being available legally, is through having a seperate long arms license, in addition to a thorough OOC and IC background check. No fail roleplayers should have access to these rifles if it were to be a thing, as PF abuse is already an enormous issue.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying illegal roleplayers don't have flaws, and like you mentioned that incident in which one Hispanic gang (not naming who) blockwiped CCB13 (the faction I'm in).

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2 minutes ago, Wirbelwind said:

Hard no from me. They're just gonna get buddy-buddy with a "weapons specialist" who's gonna insert a rubber band and make their semi a full auto, which they'll also be able to mod to heck while I don't even get a giggle switch.

dont get salty just because im not letting you use a m1 garand, 1911 or Stechkin in pd

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1 hour ago, xdthe said:


PF license abuse is bad enough as it is, rifles are not impossible to get already through illegal ways. By adding it to gun stores, you will soon have people making throwaway characters with the sole purpose of racking up rifles and selling them illegally. Also, if you're gonna make the argument, "illegal rper bad, please focus on urself, don't involve urself with our issues!!!", then there's no point of having discussions like this. Instead of having this mindset, everyone's opinion should be heard, legal roleplayer or not.

Only way I can see rifles being available legally, is through having a seperate long arms license, in addition to a thorough OOC and IC background check. No fail roleplayers should have access to these rifles if it were to be a thing, as PF abuse is already an enormous issue.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying illegal roleplayers don't have flaws, and like you mentioned that incident in which one Hispanic gang (not naming who) blockwiped CCB13 (the faction I'm in).

That's exactly what they're suggesting. This won't be readily available to everyone with a PF, and it's gonna be via special license probably through Legal FM as it's their best bet to make sure only proper roleplayers get access to it. I doubt you'll ever see an Elegy driver hop out with a rifle over a few thrown words.

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If I am to be 100% honest, as much as I'd like the idea, I'm more towards a no. We already have people abusing PF and acting like hitmen. I don't want to imagine what would happen if we have players going around all crazy waving assault rifles.

 

However, if this becomes a thing, a special application could be put in place and supervised by both IFM and LFM. This way bad apples would be weeded out pretty quick.

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