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On 1/18/2020 at 3:27 PM, Ryoichi said:

I wish the recruitment process was less focused on grammar. When you look at the amount of denied applications you'd see that most of them are denied due to grammatical errors in their "Interview" or their application. I understand one needs to be able to type in English to be able to communicate on this server. How ever, some of us have not been raised speaking English and have a rather big disadvantage trying to get through the recruitment stage when the recruiters mainly look at spelling rather then how one would perform as a police officer. This is probably done due to the sheer amount of applications the faction gets per recruitment cycle but even though this is the case it feels a bit unfair for people not born into the language. 
 

This feels a bit like profiling to me which causes those from different countries, where English is not the main language, to be left out of the faction. you can notice it too when you look at the amount of people in the department that are from the US or UK on teamspeak, the most icons you will see will be US flag or the British flag. 

I myself have been denied multiple times due to "Grammatical Errors" even though i feel that my English is not as bad as they make it out to be and i feel it is up to par to be able to role play as a law enforcement officer. 

 

''This feels a bit like profiling to me which causes those from different countries, where English is not the main language, to be left out of the faction. you can notice it too when you look at the amount of people in the department that are from the US or UK on teamspeak, the most icons you will see will be US flag or the British flag. ''

 

This is not true. Perhaps you noticed this at a time when simply a lot of our UK or American players were in game, but less then 50% of the faction are native English speakers. My staff team consists out of one Brit, one American, one Kuwaiti, one Belgian and myself a Dutchman. My command team is even more diverse. This trickles down through the ranks. The LSPD has never and never will discriminate on nationality, but we do reserve the right to deny people based on their English skills, and we do. Like stated before, it is up to us to ensure people can type well and fast enough in hyper mobile situations where they have to react quickly, as it's part of being a LEO roleplayer.

 

On 1/18/2020 at 6:12 PM, Ryoichi said:

I also think its kind of crazy that a faction gets to dictate whether a background story is unrealistic or not, They are not admins. 

 

Lets take my background story for example. 

 

I applied as a male who is 30 years old, that has worked at a private detective firm for 6 years. 

He did not own the firm and was only working there. giving him 24 years to get some degrees and then 6 years of work. 

Due to a circumstances (his brother being shot and killed) he decided to want to change his occupation to some thing more worth while, something that gets him out of the meaningless cases he was getting in the firm. 

 

I have used this character to perform the role of private detective in-game and couldn't change the fact that he is a private detective even if i wanted it to since that would be power gaming. (kind of like making a character go from Caucasian to a African american male ) 

 

I now get denied from the recruitment process due to my character having been a private detective and that it was unrealistic for him to be one?!?and then they also throw in the fact that my capability in the English language is not up to par?  

 

now i need to wait a month to be able to apply again and they condone that i change my background story to something more to their liking. 

 

I don't really understand what any of this has to do with my capabilities of performing the role of a police officer or anything that ICLY would make me unfit for the job. Its just ooc dictating what and who my character should be in their eyes. 

 

 

 

Criminal factions have full control over their members, so do we. Just because the LSPD is a legal faction does not mean everyone deserves to be in. The LSPD, just like any other faction, has the right to turn people away if they feel that their character would not be a good fit for the faction. As faction leader, it is my prerogative to decide which characters make a good fit and which do not, a responsibility that I have mandated to my recruitment team.

 

You were informed by the commander of recruitment what the multiple reasons were that led to your denial. This thread is not for complaints about individual situations, it is here to discuss faction wide issues and concerns that players have. I have already received a complaint from you which will be handled in due time, I would like to ask you to be patient and wait for the result of said complaint.

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I have nothing much but good relations wth LSPD, they are always polite and follow the ic prodecures to the letter.

What bugs me though are characters, returning from war or veterans and such demanding they should be exluded from physical exams. Well in my country if you served that's okay and all that, but as they told me when I applied, "Military and Police Department aren't mother and father, so you cannot demand such things simply because you are good with either of your parents." Which basically means, you served it's fine we thank you, but you still gotta pass the exams.

 

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In relations to people talking about their character having anything to do with military experience, it's not as simple as just putting it down on the application you have that experience. During the recruitment process later on, you are questioned about it and asked to elaborate more. Not anyone can just put down military experience. You OOC and IC need to have a decent amount of knowledge and background on how you want to RP your development around prior military experience without looking goofy or clueless. 

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On 1/24/2020 at 5:43 AM, Engelbert said:

I have nothing much but good relations wth LSPD, they are always polite and follow the ic prodecures to the letter.

What bugs me though are characters, returning from war or veterans and such demanding they should be exluded from physical exams. Well in my country if you served that's okay and all that, but as they told me when I applied, "Military and Police Department aren't mother and father, so you cannot demand such things simply because you are good with either of your parents." Which basically means, you served it's fine we thank you, but you still gotta pass the exams.

 

 

7 hours ago, Ronnie two poles said:

In relations to people talking about their character having anything to do with military experience, it's not as simple as just putting it down on the application you have that experience. During the recruitment process later on, you are questioned about it and asked to elaborate more. Not anyone can just put down military experience. You OOC and IC need to have a decent amount of knowledge and background on how you want to RP your development around prior military experience without looking goofy or clueless. 

 

Hello, yes we welcome all sorts of Roleplay & character development regarding your characters but for people to RP a specific routes for their character, they should at least understand and know a bit about what they're actually doing. Yes we do question, quiz and judge from and IC and OOC perspective on how you portray your character (Making sure it's done correctly and by the rules) and if you cannot obviously full fill your character's expectations or the Departments then you cannot progress. We encourage massively on roleplay development and progression for people in the department but please do not believe you will get into the Department, a division or a Platoon within the LSPD because you have IC or OOC "previous/similar" past experience. We aim to be as fair as possible and give everyone a chance.

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The one thing I've always said about RPing something like a military character is "You don't have to have every single detail down pat. Because unless you were in, you're gonna miss something. But you should at least be in the ballpark."

And by that, I mean not being a specialist for 18 years or being 19 years old on SEAL team six. And also knowing common military acronyms and having a good grasp on what and where you character was at various points in their service is always a good idea. Don't be the first woman Marine Force Recon Corpsman or Navy Seal, or a 101st Screamin' Eagle Door Kicker since 2013 when women weren't in infantry school until 2017.

Translating that into PD? It would be different, but a similar lifestyle. The character would, in theory, be able to adapt pretty easily to it, depending on what his MOS was. If he was in the infantry or something like that? Yeah sure. If he was a clerk? Maybe not so much. And also, under no circumstances does it really make sense for you Navy Marine Force Recon SEAL Ranger boi to leave all that behind to become a local cop. It's the same thing as a doctor up and deciding to take a 90% pay cut and not use 95% of their medical knowledge they spent a decade in school for, to become an EMT.

It's all small detail stuff that can do one of two things. Make a character pop or absolutely torpedo them.

 

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9 hours ago, SaintBatemanofWallStreet said:

The one thing I've always said about RPing something like a military character is "You don't have to have every single detail down pat. Because unless you were in, you're gonna miss something. But you should at least be in the ballpark."

And by that, I mean not being a specialist for 18 years or being 19 years old on SEAL team six. And also knowing common military acronyms and having a good grasp on what and where you character was at various points in their service is always a good idea. Don't be the first woman Marine Force Recon Corpsman or Navy Seal, or a 101st Screamin' Eagle Door Kicker since 2013 when women weren't in infantry school until 2017.

Translating that into PD? It would be different, but a similar lifestyle. The character would, in theory, be able to adapt pretty easily to it, depending on what his MOS was. If he was in the infantry or something like that? Yeah sure. If he was a clerk? Maybe not so much. And also, under no circumstances does it really make sense for you Navy Marine Force Recon SEAL Ranger boi to leave all that behind to become a local cop. It's the same thing as a doctor up and deciding to take a 90% pay cut and not use 95% of their medical knowledge they spent a decade in school for, to become an EMT.

It's all small detail stuff that can do one of two things. Make a character pop or absolutely torpedo them.

 

 

Absolutely spot on with your points. Thankfully, Recruitment does look into ages and background to how you have developed your character as well, they do try to funnel out as many of these "issues" as possible. Additionally, people are more than welcome to roleplay having their character's with military background or experience in law enforcement but we can only hope they know how to roleplay correctly otherwise it will only just make their lives in the PD more difficult when they're questioned about these things or if FM decide to intervene due to poor roleplay etc. In conclusion, I can only say roleplay what you want as long as you can back it up and just have fun with it, it's that simple. 

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55 minutes ago, Christofo said:

 

Absolutely spot on with your points. Thankfully, Recruitment does look into ages and background to how you have developed your character as well, they do try to funnel out as many of these "issues" as possible. Additionally, people are more than welcome to roleplay having their character's with military background or experience in law enforcement but we can only hope they know how to roleplay correctly otherwise it will only just make their lives in the PD more difficult when they're questioned about these things or if FM decide to intervene due to poor roleplay etc. In conclusion, I can only say roleplay what you want as long as you can back it up and just have fun with it, it's that simple. 


Yep. Good piece of advice if you're going to play a veteran? Write all of your information down. Look up what's plausible for what exactly you were doing. If you want to place the character in a specific unit, read up where and when they were deployed or stationed so you can fill in some backstory. Obviously wouldn't make sense to say you were kicking doors in Afghanistan in 2011 if your unit was at home. It's all in the research. Read up on any awards you plan on giving them. And read in great detail about what it takes to get them and the likelihood of getting them. And then once you do that, be really conservative about what you're giving yourself. Think about things like, If you were highly decorated, people would know who you were in the military world. Giving yourself 2 silver stars, 5 purple hearts, a Legion of Merit and a Distinguished Service Cross would make you as decorated men like Audie Murphy, Dan Daly, and Chesty Puller. You'd be a national hero. And do not under any circumstances give yourself a Medal of Honor. There is an active list that anyone go check. And if your name isn't on it, prepare to be called out for stolen valor. So like I said, be mindful of that. Also, and this is big thing that I've seen through years of RP servers across many platforms. It's okay to just have been a regular soldier. You don't have to be super special forces. In fact, don't be special forces. Because people who know something about them will be able to see right through you because there's about a 98% chance you're going to miss the mark.

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All of these things can tie back into how you conduct yourself in PD/FD/SD whatever. Because it gives your character the foundation of who they are. And the way that can translate into your faction is, if you were 4 years in, you maybe deployed and saw some combat. If you're a 10 year vet, you 100% deployed multiple times and you more than likely saw some things you'd just soon forget. It shapes your character. You don't have to be nonfuctioning PTSD basket case, but be aware, you'll probably have it to some degree and you should lay out what exactly triggers it. And good or bad, if you're playing the character, let it happen and deal with it. If your character was a screw up in the military, let it translate. If he was going career and something changed his mind, he's probably pretty disciplined. Play that accordingly. All these things matter, and if it's not executed well, it shows.

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Just a bit from the side of PD Recruitment. I personally handle most if not all of the applications in some way or the other. While I dont throughly read them all, I do typically get afforded the opportunity to see the various backgrounds and otherwise. For anyone looking to apply with concerns about their character, my best advise is to do your research. This should be said for any character within an RP setting in my honest opinion however, this is especially true for the PD. If I can accomplish in two minutes of research online what you couldn't in your entire character conception you'll likely be denied. 

 

In the case of military experience I get it, it can really seem like a foreign language. But I am more than willing to work with you and give you the criteria to correct it. As for grammar, I believe Smokey sufficiently covered it. While this is not usually the entire reason for a denial, most denials are a complication of contributing factors. 

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