Liam_Airey

This. Always a fun challenge both IC and OOC to head out to an open venue with no money on your person and beg your way to the entrance fee, if you make the money to get in without a hitch you've still met a few new names, if it doesn't go so well you've still got yourself a hell of a lot more RP possibilities.

Short description: Nothing crazy complex, would just love to see the recent tattoos added in both the Casino and Casino heist GTA:Online updates implimented on the server. Detailed description: Don't think the suggestion really needs more of a detailed description, I'll post a few examples of the tattoos below though. Commands to add: N/A Items to add: N/A - The tattoos, obviously. How would your suggestion improve the server?: More options for players to choose from, allowing them to present their characters more accurately and realistically, overall increasing immersion. A lot of the new tattoos are actual face tattoos which I feel could add a lot to the gangster RP scene, I don't play one myself but would love to see more accurate looking gangbangers with all their proper tattoos and such, here are a few examples: Additional information: N/A

If I remember correctly the reason we can't select any of the more recent shirts/undershits is because at a certain point RageMP doesn't "understand" there's more to pick from, in a silly oversight RageMP is hardcoded to only show the shirts from the start of GTA:Online all the way up to the most recent DLC at the time of RageMP's release, so any shirt/undershirt that came with future DLC's after the intial release can't be pulled up to use. 100% a RageMP issue unfortunately so just like Jennie said we'll have to wait for a RageMP update, problem being they're very S T A G G E R E D when it comes to their updates.

It goes both ways, you don't really seem like you know what you're talking about. A rule against powergaming isn't some safety net for people who want to win in every situation and defend every attack, it's a rule that punishes BOTH SIDES for acting stupid. You throw a punch at my character and I magically defend it even though realistically I wouldn't be able to? That's powergame, I'd be punished for it. You throw a punch at my character and assume it hits, clocking me with a scripwise punch before I can even type out a response, EVEN if it's me "losing" in this situation? That's powergame, you would be punished for it. It's antisocial-rp, makes you look like all you wanna do is win, powergaming ISN'T GIVING ANOTHER PLAYER A CHANCE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, It's GIVING ANOTHER PLAYER A CHANCE TO RP, big difference and you should KNOW that while signing up for a HEAVY RP SERVER.

And that's what I'm saying, you're 100% right in what you're saying about surprise attacks, nobody can defend themselves 100% of the time but understand I'm not saying let people DEFEND everything you throw at them, more show them respect and let them RP out their actions/reactions, if they're powergaming by defending against stuff they wouldn't be able to react to? They're breaking the rules. If someone sucker punched me IC I'd actually wanna emote HOW I got my ass knocked out to add to the RP, I don't need someone overwhelming me with punches like I don't realise it's a heavy RP server, i'm maybe one of the biggest RP losers when i comes to actual RP, seriously don't think I've won a single fight hahah so please understand where I'm coming from here.

As i said in my reply, punches can't be dodged until you're actually hit and placed in to the "fighting" stance, losing heath and putting you at a disadvantage even if you was 100% ready and prepared for it, HOWEVER I don't want to talk mainly about scriptwise brawling, guns are a whole different situation too so please don't bring in random topics that don't really relate to try prove your point. Your very first reply assumes ALL players will cheat, if you charge down the street and sucker punch someone from behind, all RP'd out like it should be, the party being attacked SHOULD RP that realistically, chances are being stunned or knocked out and that's how they should react, works both ways, they magically defend themselves? They're powergaming, they're breaking the rules and should be punished. Once AGAIN, this is a HEAVY RP server, people are expected to RP out realistically. Your defence for punching people with no form of decent RP just seems to stem from you being scared of players breaking the rules.

Once again, context. Scripwise punch beats ALL, even if I'm ready for it. You can't defend against a scripwise punch until you're hit and the game defaults to the fighting state, by then you're already down on your luck even if you was expecting it and roleplaying everything, it's powergaming.

Over the last few months I've started to see a rise of characters powergaming their actions when it comes to fighting and/or punching other players, this powergame normally comes in the form of an emote akin to "/me rushes X, punching him/her square in the face" before following up with a scripwise punch, whenever I've brought this up with staff or other players I've always been told it's a grey area and that they're never too sure if they can act on it, this suggestion is to ask that this is fixed with a proper explanation of whats considered PG and whats not, a few decent examples sprinkled in there to help players actually understand what flies and what doesn't. The most we've had explained about the topic at hand ripped straight from the rules thread is "It is not allowed to force actions upon another player." but just like how I started this topic off, there's way too much of a grey area here to actually understand whats expected of players and their RP. I'd like to see it clearly stated that players MUST wait for a response while RP'ing any sort of conflict that stems for RP, giving both parties a chance to actually RP, this is advertised as a HEAVY RP server, punching a player after typing out a /me with no chance to respond is NOT HEAVY RP and should be a punishable offence, I'll quote the Wikipedia page on Powergaming just to give some context to what I'm saying: "In online text-based role-playing games that emphasize collaborative role-play over acquiring levels or skills, a player can be described as a powergamer if he or she presumes or declares that his or her own action against another player character is successful without giving the other player character the freedom to act on his or her own prerogative." "In such games, in which a sense of community and rapport between players is seen as crucial and conducive to the game's overall well-being, powergaming is generally regarded as extremely offensive behaviour if it is not stated in the rules as being a bannable offense." People may argue "well, punching someone IRL is unexpected! If you're in a heated argument you should be ready!" and in a sense they're right, I understand, the problem with this is when context comes in to play. If I'm intentionally provoking someone IC and I'm expecting a punch with the aim to defend myself against it, the example I gave at the start of the thread automatically cuts off any chance of me actually being able to RP that, it's powergame, you're forcing an action upon me even if realistically it wouldn't of worked or at the very least been slowed down, saying this a lot here but this is a HEAVY RP SERVER, there's no excuse for this type of behaviour. I'll leave this suggestion here just so I'm not ranting too much but the TL:DR is basically: Explain what powergaming is in the rules and CLEARLY STATE what can and can't be done with a few decent and relatable examples, clocking someone with a punch after an emote without giving them a chance to emote is 100% powergame and should be stated in the rules, if it's not a current breach of the rules it SHOULD BE, we're a heavy RP server, enforce it. Thank you.

100% agree with this, only downside I can see to this is if someone /vexits (or whatever the command would be) while the vehicles moving causing them to go bouncing down the street but then again that's easily avoided by just asking the driver of the vehicle. Supppooooort

Fingers crossed with the new implementation of synchronised animations for dragging around corpses we can also get animations with other players. I need to shake some motherfuckers hand god damn it

Well isn't that what everybody has now anyway? I see more people with gloves on their outfits then I don't. Could also use the same argument for masks as you can toggle them on and off without needing an actual item on you after paying the initial cost of one, and I'd argue that's more prone to abuse because it hides your name unlike some gloves which are purely cosmetic, if there's any sort of "finger print" RP surrounding gloves and such I've never seen it used.

How so?

Seems like the current clothing system would have to be revamped to "easily" get something like this in place but I'm 100% sure it can be done. Have each of the bare hand torso variants linked to their gloved counterparts, so if you was to use the t-shirt arm length fingerless gloves, /gloves off would check which torso ID you're currently using, then swap it out for the gloveless version, which would be ID "0" in this case as "0" is the default gloveless torso t-shirt length torso. Would be a little tedious setting it up but it's 100% possible.