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"Imagine if truckers didn't roleplay loading crates". This should be the goal for actual roleplay. Typing /me's is NOT good roleplay. It's a story-telling simulator. A fully fleshed out roleplay would have it scripted so you actually DO things instead of TYPING you do things. If we wanted to optimize the trucking script instead of typing /me's, we should have boxes slow down truckers, different types of loading apparatus, and either drop off areas, or require another person to be there to take the goods when unloaded. Same with bartending. If there was an indepth script that allowed people to mix drinks and serve it by hand, all without typing a /me, that would be optimal roleplay. Typing /me's for unnecessary roleplay that can be scripted is old, out of date, and redundant. You aren't here to write a book. You're here to roleplay.

Certainly a reality, but private medical factions will not fix the fact that for 90% of the playerbase, having to come up with their own injuries in /me with limited knowledge on what injuries they should have in the first place is, is a massive clusterfuck that simply will not be fixed without a script overhaul. Plus 90% of the playerbase simply finds doing that type of RP boring.

If there’s any devs reading this and want an idea for scripting, look into SS13 baymed. Adding a long death timer (30 mins+) to encourage trying to stay alive and fostering goodwill towards EMS is something I personally believe is long overdue. Of course it needs to be well thought out, such as the death timer not being active if there’s under X amount of EMS active, etc.

Regular players don't enjoy sitting there and typing /me's about whatever injury they decide they have. Medical RP is very boring for anyone not interested in it, which is the majority of the playerbase. A scripted injury system would go a long way with improving medical roleplay and could easily have the same rules as trucking, that is you use the scripted system (could be simple, but preferably indepth for injuries) but you MUST also roleplay via /me's.

This can be closed, the comments are right. It's too indepth for the server.

Let's break it down. LSPD requests touch and go for refueling. Clearly a misuse of the term as that would be a fullstop, but regardless, immediately ATC should have questioned. ATC does not question, but also refuses the request. As for why, who knows, but it probably should have been allowed with a clarification on the touch and go vs full stop. As for if the pattern is standard for helicopters, I'm not sure what SAAA is teaching their ATC at the moment so it may have been standard, meaning the refusal was valid. IRL, though, it likely would have been granted. Then there's a bunch of back and forth about calling each other and phone numbers, which was unprofessional from both sides. Finally, LSPD takes off. A clear misunderstanding, as they still believe it was a touch and go (although they landed and stopped to refuel, meaning it obviously wasn't a touch and go. ATC calls asking why they took off, because ATC believed it was a full stop. And here we are. All this proves to me, as a pilot IRL, is that LSPD clearly needs classroom training for understanding basic verbiage. The ATC controller likely needs more training with a supervisor as they were unprofessional and made assumptions which lead to misunderstandings. So, is SAAA at fault? You could say so. However, LSPD's lack of training was the real big red warning sign, which led me to create this thread. If they can't train their pilots properly to work with real-world aviation terms and knowledge, then they shouldn't have control over pilots licenses.

Hi. Some background. I fly for the Navy. I generally have a good idea of what's going on, but if I messed something up, please let me know. With the introduction of the SAAA, there are a lot of questionable areas in terms of airspace, purpose of ATC, and towers. I would like to start the suggestion thread on how to improve this. CODING ADDITIONS Specifically, three things need to be added for airspaces and a more realistic ATC to work. First, a transponder. All this is, is a radio beacon on the plane that can have a 4 number identifier. For example, 4567, 7372, 9686, etc. This 4 number identifier is visible on radar, and helps identify planes when ATC are talking to them. Some standard numbers are: 1200 for VFR flight. 4700 for acrobatics. 7500 for aircraft hijacking. 7600 for radio failure. 7700 for emergency. All other numbers are used to identify aircraft by ATC when needed. An example would be an aircraft flying VFR squawking the appropriate 1200. They then wish to get clearance into the bravo airspace at LSIA (Los Santos International Airspace). They ask center for clearance, and are told to squawk 4561. They do so, and center now knows specifically which aircraft they are because they see a big 4561 below the aircraft on their radar. Second, radio channels. This shouldn't be too difficult, and can be added as per regular VFR maps to the map below, but there need to be separate radio channels for certain areas. There needs to be the following: Los Santos Center (ATC) LSIA Tower Sandy Shores Tower/CTAF These can be agreed upon channels, but need to be accessible through the ATC channel. In addition, any ATC members working as Los Santos Center, or ATC, MUST be able to monitor AT LEAST two channels at the same time. I don't believe this is currently possible. Third, ability to work as tower. This only really applies at Sandy Shores, as ATC can also double as tower at LSIA. There should be a SAAA/ATC position to physically be in the little tower at Sandy Shores and act as tower, giving clearances to land. FLIGHT RULES These are rules that need to be changed within the law as for how flight works, and to be taught at Blaine's Aviation. This is a VERY simplified version. FIRST: If there is no active ATC, it should be how it currently is. That is, treating every field as an untowered airfield. You'll make your calls over the CTAF channel, but should not expect any reply from ATC. HOWEVER, if there is active ATC, I recommend the following: as the VFR map to use when deciphering airspaces. The very simple TL;DR breakdown is as follows. Any number you see is in the thousands. 20 = 2000, 100 = 10000, SFC = surface. If you are at an altitude between the two numbers, you are inside whichever airspace the circles cover. Blue is bravo. Dark red is charlie. The see-through red is echo. Bravo and Charlie MUST have ATC approval to enter these airspaces. The reason is because (IRL), they are heavy-traffic areas and/or military airspaces. So, to break it down, LSIA or Los Santos International has three areas of Bravo. You ARE allowed to fly ABOVE or UNDER without clearance. You CANNOT fly in between without clearance. Fort Zancudo has CHARLIE airspace, and generally should only allow military aircraft, or aircraft experiencing an emergency to land. Sandy Shores and Grapeseed are echo. What this means is that you do NOT need clearance to enter these areas, but you MUST establish communication on the area radio channel before entering using CTAF calls, or calls to the tower if it's active. Sandy Shores is a bit special. It also (at least in this version) will have DELTA airspace. What this means is that IF there is a person in the tower, you MUST contact them and request clearance before entering the pattern and landing. If there is nobody in the tower at Sandy Shores, then all you need is Center clearance to enter the area. You will then treat is as an untowered airport and use CTAF calls. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know a lot of this can seem very confusing. I drew up a flowchart to make it much easier. However, what I'm proposing is what a simplified version of a more realistic airspace in LS should be like.

Yup, agreed. Although it'd be nice to have proper airspaces that would require clearance such as class bravo/charlie around LSIA.

I was not the ATC, I just saw the pics and heard second hand what happened. Regardless, even if it is completely out of context, I still believe that an entity monitoring itself for air infractions shouldn't be the way to go, especially if it isn't how it is IRL. If anything, thanks for the logs. While this power SHOULD go to the SAAA, a crucial aspect of keeping this good RP is making sure ATC for SAAA are well-trained and using a set of standard vocabulary. Reading through the logs, it looks like there's non-standard stuff there, so that is something that definitely needs to be looked out for.

Since it was closed in general discussion for an undiscernible reason, I'll repost here. A pilots greatest fear is hearing over your radios, “possible pilot deviation”. What this means is that they have possibly messed up in their flying, ATC knows, and they must call the ATC to discuss the issue. Else, ATC files a report to the FAA and licenses can be pulled. So, I was very surprised upon coming across some pictures of LSPD pilots acting rather… naughty on ATC. Not knowing simple things like the difference between a touch and go and full stop landing, clogging comms, and just being plain rude to ATC in game trying to do their job. There weren’t a lot of pictures saved, but here are two that were. The scenario here is that the LSPD pilots were not trained correctly, misused terms (touch and go vs. full stop), and did not request takeoff clearance which is a HUGE no-no at airports. This was at an airport btw, not their helipad. When I first saw these pictures I laughed, because if something like this was to happen IRL a serious investigation by the FAA with the potential for licenses to be pulled would occur. The FAA has the ability on their own to give warnings, temporarily or permanently suspend licenses, or even require check rides with a FAA investigator to prove that the pilot knows what they are doing. Well, turns out the SAA, our version of the FAA, is toothless. They do not have the ability to do any of this on their own. The LSPD are the ones who can suspend or yank pilots licenses. This really needs to be moved to the SAA so that not only is it more true to life, but also so that LSPD pilots can properly be held accountable. The only time the LSPD should be involved is if an individual refuses to give up their license, or go flying anyways with a suspended license. I hope that this is something that can be remedied, because it is very disheartening to see how unrealistic it is right now. A great example of an argument between ATC and a pilot. This guy, while he did not have his license suspended, was forced to meet with an investigator and on his file now has a mandatory occurence report which, if he fucks up again, gives the FAA an easy reason to pull his license barring further training/check rides. Some common misconceptions: "Afaik FAA works with law enforcement, it does not "control or fine" it." Response: "It does in certain ways. The FAA will contact law enforcement and work with them if they need help because someone refuses to give up their license, or if there is a problem at the airfield. However, law enforcement pilots are still required to undergo all commercial requirements that regular pilots do, and in terms of flying they are still governed by the FAA. The FAA can revoke a law enforcement pilots license just as easily as they can for fire department pilots, EMS pilots, or any other pilot."

LSPD in this case asked for a touch and go (which means they are practicing a landing and immediately will take off again.) Instead, they land full stop and stay down for a refueling. They then took off without clearance or calling for a takeoff, and when asked by ATC what they were doing this was the response. My bad, fixed.

I can understand that, and I can understand LSPD being unrealistic in that they promote into their pilot slots instead of hiring people from the outside with lots of flight hours. HOWEVER, what is unacceptable is that ATC is treated like an annoying fly by their pilots. ATC has the power they do IRL because if you don't listen to them, there is the potential for a crash and death. Fucking with ATC is a fool's game in real life. Seeing how the PD in game handwaves them away because the PD is in charge of licenses just makes me sad.

A pilots greatest fear is hearing over your radios, “possible pilot deviation”. What this means is that they have possibly messed up in their flying, ATC knows, and they must call the ATC to discuss the issue. Else, ATC files a report to the FAA and licenses can be pulled. So, I was very surprised upon coming across some pictures of LSPD pilots acting rather… naughty on ATC. Not knowing simple things like the difference between a touch and go and full stop landing, clogging comms, and just being plain rude to ATC in game trying to do their job. There weren’t a lot of pictures saved, but here are two that were. When I first saw these pictures I laughed, because if something like this was to happen IRL a serious investigation by the FAA with the potential for licenses to be pulled would occur. The FAA has the ability on their own to give warnings, temporarily or permanently suspend licenses, or even require check rides with a FAA investigator to prove that the pilot knows what they are doing. Well, turns out the SAA, our version of the FAA, is toothless. They do not have the ability to do any of this on their own. The LSPD are the ones who can suspend or yank pilots licenses. This really needs to be moved to the SAA so that not only is it more true to life, but also so that LSPD pilots can properly be held accountable. The only time the LSPD should be involved is if an individual refuses to give up their license, or go flying anyways with a suspended license. I hope that this is something that can be remedied, because it is very disheartening to see how unrealistic it is right now. edit: A great example of an argument between ATC and a pilot. This guy, while he did not have his license suspended, was forced to meet with an investigator and on his file now has a mandatory occurence report which, if he fucks up again, gives the FAA an easy reason to pull his license barring further training/check rides.

76 then, let me know if interested.

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